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    Default Choices, Choices, Choices (for a Newbie)



    There are a lot to choose from and it's getting confusing. My original thought was to adapt a security camera because it would be a low-cost way to introduce myself into video astronomy. I enjoy DIY projects and I design security systems for banks so my camera cost would have been essentially $0 however the security industry is migrating away from analog and towards digital IP megapixel cameras that don't have the necessary specs that are needed for Video Astronomy, specifically long exposure times or "sense-up" so my source of free cameras has pretty much dried up. Therefore I'm looking now at what's available from the various astronomy video dealers.

    Prerequisites:
    • Quick and easy set-up/take-down
    • No messing around with darks and post processing and all the stuff that astrophotographers have to deal with
    • Able to produce nice on-screen images of DSO's with a Celestron 8SE with it's stock alt-az mount (if possible)
    • Able to occasionally grab an image that I can store on my laptop.

    Considering: MallinCam Micro, Revolution Imager, Astro-Video DSO-1 and ZWO-ASI224MC (all under $350 US).

    Would appreciate recommendations and/or pluses & minuses of any of the above (or others) from experienced astro-video users or those who may have recently gone through the same or similar evaluation process.
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    Default Re: Choices, Choices, Choices (for a Newbie)

    The simplest answer to your choice between the Micro, Revolution, DSO and ZWO-ASI is to google images and videos from each one and decide which one looks the best to you.
    Also take into consideration the scopes and filters used with each camera, and the amount of light pollution at each location.

    What could be a great camera may look bad in a tiny scope at a light polluted city whereas a worse camera may look good because it was in a Large Takahashi at a dark site.

    Spend time looking at lots of comparisons.
    There are lots on the internet
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    Default Re: Choices, Choices, Choices (for a Newbie)

    Revolution Imager kit look like this. Sadly, haven't had a chance to use it yet.


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    Default Re: Choices, Choices, Choices (for a Newbie)

    I love my ZWO. I have a lower priced model ASI120MC than what your looking at and have been more than satisfied with my purchase. It's not a great DSO camera but for planetary it rocks. Also makes a great auto guider cam. Money well spent
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    Default Re: Choices, Choices, Choices (for a Newbie)

    Quote Originally Posted by xrayvizhen View Post
    There are a lot to choose from and it's getting confusing. My original thought was to adapt a security camera because it would be a low-cost way to introduce myself into video astronomy. I enjoy DIY projects and I design security systems for banks so my camera cost would have been essentially $0 however the security industry is migrating away from analog and towards digital IP megapixel cameras that don't have the necessary specs that are needed for Video Astronomy, specifically long exposure times or "sense-up" so my source of free cameras has pretty much dried up. Therefore I'm looking now at what's available from the various astronomy video dealers.

    Prerequisites:
    • Quick and easy set-up/take-down
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    • Able to produce nice on-screen images of DSO's with a Celestron 8SE with it's stock alt-az mount (if possible)
    • Able to occasionally grab an image that I can store on my laptop.

    Considering: MallinCam Micro, Revolution Imager, Astro-Video DSO-1 and ZWO-ASI224MC (all under $350 US).

    Would appreciate recommendations and/or pluses & minuses of any of the above (or others) from experienced astro-video users or those who may have recently gone through the same or similar evaluation process.
    As of this moment your best low cost option is an LN-300 rebrand (Revolution) or the modified LN-300 (DSO-1). The rebranded LN-300 sold by Mallincam has significant limitations on full color at some otherwise useful settings.

    Regardless of which camera you buy, download a copy of the latest version of SharpCap. The "Live Stacking" feature is virtually an order of magnitude upgrade for these cameras. So good that I cheerfully sent a PayPal donation for this freeware. You can use darks but they are not required for good results.

    With either of these cameras you can get some nice views of DSOs and some surprisingly images of planets. If planetary and lunar viewing is your primary goal, the ZWO is the better choice.

    Here is a cropped and downsized image of the Flame and Horse Head caputered with SharpCap and an LN-300 on an 85mm refractor and two images taken with an LN-300 derived, but modified camera on a C11. Images adjusted during capture, but no not post processed. All taken from a well lighted suburb. The images are neither the best or the worst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smeyer8015 View Post
    Revolution Imager kit look like this. Sadly, haven't had a chance to use it yet.


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    I've used mine. I have 2 different versions of the Revolution Imager and I am very pleased with them.
    Here is my latest Video showing how well the new version works 'Live':
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNjiOCKO-b8
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragon Man View Post
    I've used mine. I have 2 different versions of the Revolution Imager and I am very pleased with them.
    Here is my latest Video showing how well the new version works 'Live':
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    Mine is the newer chip and menu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smeyer8015 View Post
    Mine is the newer chip and menu.

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    Excellent Scott. You will be impressed with it.
    My video I linked to above is with the new model.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragon Man View Post
    Excellent Scott. You will be impressed with it.
    My video I linked to above is with the new model.
    I plan to use it at public nights at Powell Observatory. The kids always seem to have problems looking in the eyepiece.


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