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    I was just thinking how nice it would be to have a small
    black hole in my kitchen so that i can use it as a garbage can
    and save the $200 per year that i pay for trash service.
    You just got to be careful not to put your fingers
    near the hole when you throw things away.
    Maybe those LHC people at CERN can create these
    cheaply so we can all have one in our kitchens.




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    Dear DarkStar:

    "DarkStar" <gmvoeth@yahoo.invalid> wrote in message
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    A BH small enough to be undercounter, and safe enough to allow
    you put your hand near, has the mass of a mountain or so. It
    would be radiating Hawking radiation quite madly. Perhaps 1000
    C. Could probably use it for cooking too.

    David A. Smith



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    Interesting, I sort of thought this black hole thingy
    was the coldest thing in the universe because
    nothing can escape it. Not matter or energy or anything ??

    I think maybe its temperature is absolute negative.
    Maybe -1000.

    Whose this Hawking guy that thinks these strange ideas ??
    He must be a Brit because only a Brit would say things like that.

    But yes it would be nice to save money on a heat source too.

    With an unlimited heat source you could do all kinds of nifty things.

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    DarkStar wrote:


    I think it they should have some verifiable evidence that the Hawking
    radiation theory is correct before beginning spewing out black holes at
    CERN. As on now, they have not one shred of experimental evidence
    supporting that theory!

    http://www.nature.com/news/2001/0110...1004-8_pf.html

    But I can't save the world all by myself.

    Double-A


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    Raving Loonie wrote:


    This should happen before commencing those dangerous expriments at
    CERN.

    Double-A


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    I believe he is absolutely right.

    But we must be careful about what comes from him.

    I have seen a man die a slow death and
    during the process he hallucinated terribly.

    Some of Hawkings ideas might simply be the hallucinations
    of a sick and dying man.

    I am not saying that is true of him now but I know he
    is terribly physically ill.

    I think we are prisoners of this solar system and will
    never leave it as living breathing human beings.

    If we are to leave we will have to find a way to
    send only our genetic material in a way that
    can be turned into a human being at the end of a
    million year trip.
    Then that human or humans will have to be raised
    and trained and nurtured to be able to carry on the mission.

    I myself think the survival of man is irrelevant.

    It is only important for us to live our short lives
    and be happy till humans are no more.

    We are little more then a kind of parasite infecting the Earth
    sucking it dry of its natural resources.

    Like all living things die so must humanity.

    It is only some kind of sick dream to want to
    infest the rest of the universe with that evil
    intelligence called Humanity.

    In death you are a true time/space traveler but when and where and if
    you ever meet the right conditions to once again be you will
    have no awareness of what you were in the past.

    Possibly we will find a way to take the soul from a human with all
    his knowledge and intelligence and direct only that disembodied soul
    to do our bidding free of the current limitation inhibiting us from
    leaving this solar system.

    What is a soul but some strange aspect of the chemo-electric activities
    cruising through the hardwiring that is our brains.

    Whatever we do as we are now we will
    never be able to reach for another star system.

    The soul is a very interesting phenomena and I have
    this sneaking suspicion a soul...you me anyone
    can pop up elsewhere in the universe given
    the right conditions after we die. So if you
    really want to travel to the stars it is as
    easy as dying. It is a terrible shame that all
    our knowledge and memories and everything that
    gives us our personality shall die permanently
    along with the hardwiring that was our brains.
    But our souls shall be installed and live on
    as some other new form of life.

    Has anyone investigated the soul phenomena as thoroughly
    as we have investigated the rest of the Universe ?
    I know the brain surgeons are fearful about
    poking around in the part of the brain that seems
    to give rise to the soul.
    Some people think the soul might represent another dimension of some kind.
    I think it is a phenomena relating to a complex
    infinite looping program of some kind inside a given brain.
    Death is simply whatever stops the looping program.
    You might be able to install a switch to turn the soul on and off.
    The soul is the ONLY IMPORTANT thing in the universe.
    Without a soul nothing is able to think or reflect upon anything.

    If you look at religion it first believes in many gods and
    then it believes in one god then science seems to come along
    and I think eventually Science will replace religion all together.
    A sort of philosophical sequence of evolution.

    If we go to the stars we need to do something radically different
    and unheard of before.
    Given what I now understand we are prisoners forever to this solar system.






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    Dear Dark Star:

    "DarkStar" <gmvoeth@yahoo.invalid> wrote in message
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    http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/hawk.html
    ... down to "Evaporation of a mini black hole". It is hotter than
    I thought.


    http://www.hawking.org.uk/text/about/about.html
    ... he was from birth, a Brit.


    If you get to the part that talks about what is radiated from the
    BH as it gets smaller/hotter, you might not want to have one
    within several light years...

    I was thinking how nice it would be to get rid of radioactive
    waste with one...

    David A. Smith



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    In uk.sci.astronomy DarkStar <gmvoeth@yahoo.invalid> wrote:


    I'm sure that Dyson will invent a hoover that will simply put a portable
    black hole in proximity to muck on the carpet and suck it up.

    It will be quite hard to push of course, but it can double as an
    exercise regime.

    FoFP


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    Raving Loonie wrote:


    The idea isn't new:

    http://www.time.com/time/reports/v21.../another2.html

    Double-A


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    Dear Raving Loonie:

    "Raving Loonie" <raving.loonie@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:1152771269.937269.160360@35g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
    ....

    More like the New Scientist (or National Enquirer) journalistic
    style. I've never seen a clown dressed all in green, but it
    doesn't make me God to paint one green.

    David A. Smith



 

 
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