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    http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA06193.jpg

    but watch out its BIG - 5.4mb

    http://spaceflightnow.com/cassini/050226portrait.html

    for some explanation.

    The latice pattern of the shadows of the rings intersecting the rings
    themselves is breathtaking

    Thank god the scientists ignored the ravings of those rascals, Newton
    and Einstein, or this would of been a picture of either downtown
    Groszny, Ulan Bator or Theydon Bois.

    Cheers

    Martin

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    "Cor. 2. And since these stars are liable to no sensible parallax from
    the annual motion of the earth, they can have no force, because of
    their immense distance, to produce any sensible effect in our system.
    Not to mention that the fixed stars, every where promiscuously
    dispersed in the heavens, by their contrary actions destroy their
    mutual actions, by Prop. LXX, Book I."[Principia]

    "If we ponder over the question as to how the universe, considered as a
    whole, is to be regarded, the first answer that suggests itself to us
    is surely this: As regards space (and time) the universe is infinite.
    There are stars everywhere, so that the density of matter, although
    very variable in detail, is nevertheless on the average everywhere the
    same. In other words: However far we might travel through space, we
    should find everywhere an attenuated swarm of fixed stars of
    approximately the same kind and density. 1
    This view is not in harmony with the theory of Newton. The latter
    theory rather requires that the universe should have a kind of centre
    in which the density of the stars is a maximum, and that as we proceed
    outwards from this centre the group-density of the stars should
    diminish, until finally, at great distances, it is succeeded by an
    infinite region of emptiness. The stellar universe ought to be a finite
    island in the infinite ocean of space. 1 2
    This conception is in itself not very satisfactory. It is still less
    satisfactory because it leads to the result that the light emitted by
    the stars and also individual stars of the stellar system are
    perpetually passing out into infinite space, never to return, and
    without ever again coming into interaction with other objects of
    nature. Such a finite material universe would be destined to become
    gradually but systematically impoverished. "

    http://www.bartleby.com/173/30.html

    Drive yourself insane trying to figure out who is the bigger freak and
    liar.

    Love that bit where Albert says Isaac required a center for his 'fixed
    stars' but then it is a hoax inside a bigger hoax and you are too
    brainwashed to enjoy the spectacle as the spectacular mess that most
    people call nightmares.

    Be careful Martin,Tonkers will be hopping mad if you display a pulse of
    intelligence and look how you will get ostracised if you talked of
    anything other than mild consumerism and celestial photography.

    Google certainly figured out that the hotbed of discussion once known
    as the usenet is now just a dull and drowsy marketplace where you can
    buy the designation of astronomer .Albert sold the world H.G.
    Wells,what have you got for sale.


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    If you find this off topic/offensive please file an abuse report to
    abuse@eircom.net quoting the full header of the message.


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    On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:27:24 +0000, Martin Frey
    <martinfrey@snipclara.co.uk> wrote:


    Breathtakingly beautiful.

    --
    Pete Lawrence
    http://www.digitalsky.org.uk

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    I find it offensive that Martin here will show up at school tommorrow
    and teach kids who can't defend themselves that space is warped and if
    you go faster you alter time and all that exotic nonsense.There is no
    central authority for this complaint for the anonymous central
    community of scientists go along merrily with the exotic nonsense and
    laud it as a human achievement when it is the stuff of nightmares.

    Albert was no different than Isaac when it came to the 'fixed stars'
    yet you freaks have managed to squirm every bit of astronomical data to
    support a 1916 concept that went out the window when galactic structure
    was observed in the mid 1920's.

    Ah,you a cataloguer and would'nt understand that you are a messenger
    boy for theorists who know no better.


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    I find it offensive that Martin here will show up at school tommorrow
    and teach kids who can't defend themselves that space is warped and if
    you go faster you alter time and all that exotic nonsense.There is no
    central authority for this complaint for the anonymous central
    community of scientists go along merrily with the exotic nonsense and
    laud it as a human achievement when it is the stuff of nightmares.

    Albert was no different than Isaac when it came to the 'fixed stars'
    yet you freaks have managed to squirm every bit of astronomical data to
    support a 1916 concept that went out the window when galactic structure
    was observed in the mid 1920's.

    Ah,you are a cataloguer and would'nt understand that you are a
    messenger boy for theorists who know no better.


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    geraldkelleher@hotmail.com wrote:


    Stephen Tonkin lives just down the road and I greatly respect him and
    his vast knowledge and helpfulness. Should he and I happen to disagree
    on some matter that in no way diminishes my regard for him. Yet it
    appears that any syllable of disagreement with your view is grounds
    for certification as insane and brings out the vilest obcenities.
    Perhaps that is a requirement of the christianity you brag of.

    By the way I am not a teacher though I do occasionally talk to
    children in schools.

    I offer you another opportunity to address the problem raised by your
    proposal of 24 hours per 360 degrees of rotation - that, in 6 months
    time, a clock registering 24 hours per 360 degrees will say noon at
    midnight.

    Miss this one and, to the relief of all, I'm out of here.

    Cheers

    Martin

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    http://www.hadastro.org.uk
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    Martin Frey wrote:
    of
    disagree

    Give me Tonker's exact longitude/latitude coordinates and I will tell
    you exactly how far he is from you,after all,each 1 degree difference
    in longitude equals four minutes clock time and you can subdivide it to
    smaller and smaller value with differential GPS.

    http://www.csgnetwork.com/degreelenllavcalc.html

    I suppose you have never been out in the open ocean therefore I would
    not expect you to know that in 1990 we used to fill in the gaps in
    GPS satellite coverage by having an onboard atomic clock which
    basically translates back into the same terrestial coordinates Harrison
    used in developing an accurate clock based on equable pace and the 24
    hour/360 deg equivalency.

    http://www.math.uncc.edu/~droyster/t...TM_Handout.pdf

    Look,69 miles at the equator corresponding to 4 minutes clock time is
    still the same as it ever was just as it is 0 miles at the poles.

    The guy who basically invented atomic clocks had a pretty good outlike
    on Albert and relativity but just like everyone else (including a guy
    called Petr Beckmann*) his work was assimilated into supporting
    something he hated.

    http://www.btinternet.com/~time.lord/Relativity.html

    The sad part is that although brilliant men in their own right they
    were still stuck in the Newtonian world where shortcuts were taken and
    therefore the impact on their colleagues was and remains lost.All that
    remains are cowards who fear people like Tonkers and faceless people
    like him.

    There is nothing interesting about any of you unless you imagine that
    tourists who take snapshots of the cosmos are capable of anything
    significant otherwise you follow after the theorists who have been
    chasing conceptual rainbows for centuries.

    Ultimately none of you are comfortable with astronomy and it shows.









    * "I challenge anyone to quote a single, solitary place where Newton in
    thePrincipia or elsewhere said F=ma. He was much too careful a man to
    assume the constancy of mass and never, but never, went beyond F =
    d(mv)/dt
    and never took the m out of the parenthesis as constant. That was done
    by
    the guesswork-loving intuitive physicists who lived after him. Of
    course,
    the Principia are not written in the language of algebra, but of
    geometry.."

    Petr Beckmann


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    Martin Frey wrote:


    Agreed. This one's still a favourite of mine though.
    http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap050211.html

    The Mars Express images have been awesome lately as well.
    We're being spoilt at the moment.


    Our poor kids. Hell in a handcart, that's what I say!


    Tim

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    geraldkelleher@hotmail.com wrote:


    You mean all the fuss has been about this? Of course there is good
    correspondence between a degree of longitude and a clock - trouble is
    there is not good correspondence between a 24 hour day and a single
    axial rotation through 360 degrees for the reason I have oft repeated
    - midday would become midnight every 6 months.

    I've put you - on earth o (in the tropics) with your 24 hour per 360
    degree chronometer with the Sun O high in the sky 1st Jan.
    O -o
    At the same time, by your clock, 6 months later you will be in exactly
    the same rotational position but the Sun will be on the other side of
    the earth - beyond salvation by te equation of time whose net maximum
    change in 6 months is around half an hour.
    -o O

    However despite galactic motion, precession, orbital velocity and
    axial rotation neither of us are going to move and so I bid you
    goodbye.

    And PS - I haven't been a christian for 50 years but I clearly recall
    some disapproval of obscenity and I have a hazy remembrance of what
    happens when men revile ye. So relax and count your blessings.

    Cheers

    Martin

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