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Thread: Oberwerk 25x100 Deluxe Vs. APM MS 25x100 Binoculars

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    Default Oberwerk 25x100 Deluxe Vs. APM MS 25x100 Binoculars



    I am just curious why the APM MS 25x100 binoculars cost more than the Oberwerk Deluxe 25x100 binoculars?

    https://farpointastro.com/shop/apm-m...oof-binocular/

    https://oberwerk.com/product/oberwerk-25x100mm-deluxe/

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    Default Re: Oberwerk 25x100 Deluxe Vs. APM MS 25x100 Binoculars

    I see they have slightly different specs: the APM model has a 10% wider FOV and is lighter than the Oberwerks. The Oberwerks appear to be the Kunming/United Optics S-MS series (used to be their FB models) S-MS Series Not sure about the APM's though, except to say they would almost certainly be Chinese made as well.

    I have the (older) FB versions, and they are very good binos. I would take a lot of convincing to fork out an extra $300 (or nearly 70% more!) for the APM's just to get a slightly larger FOV...

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    (PS: you could always try the APM 120 Apo's: http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/s...d.php?t=175993 !!!)
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    Default Re: Oberwerk 25x100 Deluxe Vs. APM MS 25x100 Binoculars

    Quote Originally Posted by refractordude View Post
    I am just curious why the APM MS 25x100 binoculars cost more than the Oberwerk Deluxe 25x100 binoculars?
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    ... because they are different.

    With the binoculars, it's like with the pairs of shoes, ask your wife or girlfriend,

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    Default Re: Oberwerk 25x100 Deluxe Vs. APM MS 25x100 Binoculars

    " why the APM MS 25x100 binoculars cost more "

    I would venture to answer that question by saying "Because they can."

    And note that there will always be folks willing to pay more for 'perceived' bragging rights of ownership of high priced stuff. Like cars do ya'? The standard Bugatti Chiron starts at around $3 million. However, the Chiron Sport's extra goodies push its starting price to $3.26 million.
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    Default Re: Oberwerk 25x100 Deluxe Vs. APM MS 25x100 Binoculars

    Quote Originally Posted by j.gardavsky View Post
    ... because they are different.

    With the binoculars, it's like with the pairs of shoes, ask your wife or girlfriend,

    JG
    I don't have all that many shoes, but I do care about quality as well as choosing the right item, be it binocular or shoe, for a specific purpose. When I do that, I try to educate myself as much as possible first, and don't make impulse purchases for expensive things.

    Maybe the APM are better binoculars. Sometimes people will pay more for something for the perceived higher quality of a particular product, and sometimes that perception is correct.

    Buying the best you can afford doesn't make you a snob. Not buying the most expensive thing because you can't afford it, and then criticizing those who can afford it is reverse snobbery. Or maybe simply envy.

    Please note, I am not suggesting that the OP is a snob of any kind for asking this valid question!
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    Default Re: Oberwerk 25x100 Deluxe Vs. APM MS 25x100 Binoculars

    Thank you Mary,

    I always love to read your lines.

    There are about 5 different 25x100 binoculars on the markets, and they differ in:
    1. How far the vendor's specifications are away from the checked performance figures, especially on the effective aperture, and on the true field of view,
    and last but not least, how they specify the material of the glass Porro prisms.
    2. Transmissivity of light, ghosting, contrast lost due to the stray light, and color contrast differences due to the different multicoatings.
    3. Aberrations and blur reducing the resolution of the double stars. Some of the blur is due to the neglected assembly precission in the manufacturing process.

    As the binoculars markets are pretty tough on the price-to-performance ratio, you often get what you pay for, so far you mind the Big Brands,
    where you pay a premium on the label.
    The price range of the 25x100 binoculars, when including the APM, may vary in the ratio of one to two, maybe more.

    The 25x100 FB are my "old shoes", like my Mercedes shoes manufactured in Hoechstadt/Aisch 25 years ago, still in a perfect condition.
    At some point of time, I will replace the 25x100 FB, keeping however my Mercedes shoes.


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