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    Default Re: Looking for a more portable alternative for my Orion XT10 when I'm feeling lazy.



    Quote Originally Posted by jbweimar View Post
    One part of the equation that I didn't discuss yet is the cooling down of the mirror. For the Skymax I mentioned above, how long might this be? (Say 20C indoor and 5C outdoor) I guess refractors are easier this way, correct? I guess for grab-and-go, one could argue that this would be an important factor. In fact, how much worse are views when the mirror hasn't cooled yet? I'm talking mainly about planetary/lunar observations here, though I'd also be interested in hearing about DSOs.
    I believe Maks require a longer cool down time than refractors indeed but I don't know how much. I don't have a Mak myself so hopefully someone else can chime in.
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    Default Re: Looking for a more portable alternative for my Orion XT10 when I'm feeling lazy.

    Quote Originally Posted by CamelHat View Post
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    Default Re: Looking for a more portable alternative for my Orion XT10 when I'm feeling lazy.

    Quote Originally Posted by jbweimar View Post
    One part of the equation that I didn't discuss yet is the cooling down of the mirror. For the Skymax I mentioned above, how long might this be? (Say 20C indoor and 5C outdoor) I guess refractors are easier this way, correct? I guess for grab-and-go, one could argue that this would be an important factor. In fact, how much worse are views when the mirror hasn't cooled yet? I'm talking mainly about planetary/lunar observations here, though I'd also be interested in hearing about DSOs.
    In the winter months and in most cases I give my scopes at least an hour to acclimate.
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    Default Re: Looking for a more portable alternative for my Orion XT10 when I'm feeling lazy.

    Hello JBWeimar,

    I am a refractor guy.
    So, I'd take on your place an ED doublet refractor, 4" or 5", an alt/az mount, and put it on a high payload photo tripod.
    With an ED doublet refractor you have very short cooldown times, and once collimated, it will hold.
    Here are my grab-and-goes,
    http://www.astronomyforum.net/member...o-televid.html
    http://www.astronomyforum.net/member...to-tripod.html
    I have only grab-and-go equipment.

    Should you prefer mirrors to lenses, then Joe (Sxinias) has a fine SCT grab-and-go equipment to show.
    Here is another thread on the topic, Grab and Go: I'll show you mine if you show me yours...

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    Default Re: Looking for a more portable alternative for my Orion XT10 when I'm feeling lazy.

    I'd opt for a 6" SCT, great on the planets, add a focal reducer and it's pretty darn good on DSOs too. I'd rather have that than the 5" Mak. Put it on a Twilight I and you've got a very portable set up.
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    Default Re: Looking for a more portable alternative for my Orion XT10 when I'm feeling lazy.

    Hello:

    Do you find the XT10 overly ungainly to move around in a vehicle? Thanks, Shawn

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    Default Re: Looking for a more portable alternative for my Orion XT10 when I'm feeling lazy.

    Quote Originally Posted by GreybeardGunner View Post
    Hello:

    Do you find the XT10 overly ungainly to move around in a vehicle? Thanks, Shawn
    Putting an XT10 in a vehicle depends on many things:
    - What vehicle are you talking about
    - What's your relative ability to move large heavy objects around

    Given the above (and the fact that I have an XT10g which adds 20 additional pounds to the equation) I find that it's do-able. I drive a crossover SUV which is big enough to accommodate everything provided you remove the OTA from the base which is ridiculously easy to accomplish. I've kept the Styrofoam packaging which came with the OTA and purchased a travel bag designed for OTA tubes of that size which provides additional protection/cushion. If you can handle moving 30lb objects and have a car that's large enough, you'll have no problem. I'd simply pack up the OTA in the gear mentioned above and place it width-wise in the rear of the SUV tucked just behind the seats. Then take the base and also place it in the rear of the SUV pressed up lightly against the OTA bag so you prevent as much OTA movement as possible. Then avoid pot-holes and drive slower than normal! :-)
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    Default Re: Looking for a more portable alternative for my Orion XT10 when I'm feeling lazy.

    I'm in the same situation minus the SUV :-) I also kept the original styrofoam and purchased the Orion travel bag specifically for this size. It's not hard to move at all. The issue is that I have this scope at my office and I'd like to have one at home too. So I need an alternative that is smaller but still capable. I want to show my daughters the planets, and the moon.

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    Default Re: Looking for a more portable alternative for my Orion XT10 when I'm feeling lazy.

    I think I'm fine. I have a Kia Soul that has loads of room in it. I'm well-bodied and I don't think it'll be too much of an issue. Just wanted to see what owners thought.

    Thanks!
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    Default Re: Looking for a more portable alternative for my Orion XT10 when I'm feeling lazy.

    Quote Originally Posted by jbweimar View Post
    Thanks.

    If I look at an APO such as:

    EVOSTAR 100ED DS-PRO FPL53 APO

    and a Mak such as

    Messier MC-100/1400 OTA

    Then the APO is 4 times more expensive ($800 vs $200) than the Mak. Will that APO's image quality blow the Mak's away at the same aperture?
    Hi jbweimar, the Skywatcher refractor you linked to would be a nice scope for visual.
    When comparing a refractor to a Mak you have to remember that the central obstruction will effectively reduce the aperture of the Mak so in this case comparing a 100mm refractor to a 100mm Mak, the refractor is larger aperture wise.
    At f/9 this scope will do well on your listed targets.
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