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    Hello...I've had my XT10 out a couple of times so far. Nice scope, but the narrow FOV of my existing plossl's has left me wanting more real estate in the EP. I've already decided to get the OWL 30mm Ultra as my finder (still need to order it) and am no looking for a nice medium power EP to use as my primary viewing lens. (Some thing around a 13mm FL, which seems to offer a nice balance between FOV and dark sky and still a decently large exit pupil for faint fuzzies). After extensive research, I think I've narrowed it down to the following:
    Hyperion 13mm
    This one has a nice large viewing lens (which I like) and having owned a 21mm Stratus in the past (alas, I sold it...wish I had it now!) I really liked the view these offered in an F/5 refractor. The big lens made me feel as if I was looking through a picture window. I would anticipate similar performance in my F/4.7 Newtonian.

    Meade UWA 14mm
    This EP's greatest asset is that it offers a considerably greater FOV then the Hyperion. I've never looked through one before, though so I don't know if it's viewing lens will have as immersive a feel as the Hyperion. Another drawback is that it costs $40 more.

    Both EP as I mentioned will be my general purpose viewing EP, but will also serve planetary duty barlowed.

    Given these choices, which would you prefer and why?
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    I've never used the Meade UWA 14 so I can't offer a comparison. However I did receive my own Hyperion 13 today and got to spend a few hours with it tonight in my XT8 Dob. I was very impressed with the views. A very black background with very bright stars that focused into perfect points. No blackouts whatsoever.

    The only thing that wouldn't work with my scope was using it in the 2" Crayford. I didn't have enough room to bring it into focus. But when using it with the 1.25" adaptor it worked perfectly with plenty of focus room. No loss, just the extra need to put my 1.25" adapter in when I use it (I do most of my viewing with 2" lenses).

    I also got the two finetuning rings, a worthy investment indeed. They worked very well. I tried every combination, including Barlowed, and was able bring them all into perfect focus. That's 8 different mag levels (9 if you take the lower element completely off, though I won't use it that way) and they all work well.

    Like I said I usually use my 2" 70 degree lenses for most of my viewing. The Hyperion is 68 degrees and when I exchange the two I really can't tell much difference in field of view, meaning the Hyperion's view is awesome imo.

    I am so far very satisfied with the Hyperion 13mm. Great views with configuration options. It will be the only EP I use for med/high mag for a long time to come. Tomorrow night we're going to experiment with using it in my mom's XT10 dob.

    As for the Meade well that 82 degrees of view could be cool. I love wide fields and I like Meade stuff too. You could always order one, try it very gently, and if you don't like it send it back for an exchange with the Hyperion..or visa versa. Sometimes its the only way you will ever know..maybe a local starparty might have somebody with that lens you could try?
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    I just used a friends Meade 5000 14mm uwa last night and I liked it.
    I'm buying one.
    I think it's worth the extra $40.
    I believe that opticplanet have them for $150.
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    I WOULD NOT buy an ULTRA wife FOV eyepiece UNTIL you actually use one for an extended period of time...(well 15 minutes with your eye glued to the eyepiece is plenty long enough)

    Most of my viewing is with either an f/6 100 mm refractor of a CPC 1100 f/10 ..and my eyepiece case contains 4 Pentax (3 XW's and a XF) eyepieces One TeleVue (Panoptic ) and 2 Orion Stratus ....

    All are keepers in these two scopes... I Sold a couple of Naglers and switched to eyepieces between 68-70 degree FOV because I was just not comfortable shifting my eyeballs all over the place to take in the entire 82 degree FOV the naglers offered... Seriously it was tiring ...

    So I highly recommend putting some time in viewing with a Ultra wide FOV eyepiece BEFORE you write the check...

    To be honest I never have been on a budget ...and I love my XW's
    and Panoptic BUT...IF I were to go eyepiece shopping today I'd
    would most likely go with all Stratus or Hyperions because in my opinion for the price they are an absolute steal in my scopes..(but they are f/6 and f/10 NOT anywhere near being fast scopes...

    I purchased the Stratus on a whim (good reviews & cheap) when they were on sale...otherwise I may have picked up a Hyperion...

    The tuning rings ??? (another personal opinion) ...they are not for me.. I just can not see mysf taking an eyepiece apart and playing with it in the dark while observing.. I sold my Focal Reducer and my 2x Barlow for this reason...and purchased a Denkmeier Power switch 2" diagonal that I use with both scopes...now all I need to do is push a lever to barlow the eyepiece or push the other lever to view in reduced mode...
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    I didn't have any problems changing out the fine tuning rings while at the scope thankfully. The threading is marvelous, easy to do. Just like swapping out nebula filters or whatever while viewing. I also have my waist case strapped on so I use the top like a little mini table. Works great. I probably will only use the two extremes most often though, either at 13mm or full power with both tuning rings together. I personally love it.

    But I agree, if the user suffers from a dexterity deficiency of some sort that perhaps the fine tuning rings could pose a bit of a challenge at the scope that could be beyond their capability to enjoy or manipulate effectively. Using the Hyperion 13mm alone is also a joy I've found, so you may just want to go with that at first.. Ahh, just talking about it has me looking forward to tonight's viewing session.
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    I'm a Hyperion fan. They work well for both my scopes. I use my 17mm and 13 mm eyepieces the most. I use the 24mm for searching around and then bump the mag till I hit the best combination of magnitude and detail. It's usually with the 13mm in my area. Only use the 8mm on really good nights. Never got the tuning rings but since I've developed an interest in double stars I'm considering giving them a shot to see how much benefit the increased magnification can provide when the situation permits.
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    Had a great night viewing, spent a lot of time with my 13mm. I got excellent views of the Little Dumbell with it. And I can't emphasize enough just how cool it is to be able to use my 2" UHC Nebula filter with the Hyperion..and for views of the Orion Nebula (I always end my viewings sessions with a quick peek) simply incredible. Barlowed with all of that had me practically inside the nebula clouds...an awesome night.

    Tonight I hope to catch some meteors.

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    Well that mental image is replaced with a grim reality. Clear all night long...I go out about an hour or two before peak..still clear..I have no where to be tomorrow, I've had my coffee, ready to sit. Pull out my viewing chair, call the cat, I'm set...Within the first few minutes I've seen several long burning meteors...and then to my horror, as if preplanned...a huge, wide, thick mass of clouds start rolling in directly from the east of all places...and it doesn't let up. To my dismay every minute blanks out more and more sky until I can't see anything at all...What a huge and awful disappointment for me..How can it be clear all night long just to go total cloud cover right at the peak hour? I'm so frustrated...

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    It knows! Don't ask me how, It just does.
    I got lucky and was able to see the show this morning.
    Plus I was able to see Mars and catch Saturn as it came up.
    I use a Meade 5000 uwa 14mm last night. This is the second time and I still like it.
    Now it's time for breakfast to be follow by a short nap.
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