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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeWest View Post
    That's nice, thanks for your input. I never said those EPs were the best, just that I consider them great for the price. I interpreted his statement of not having one and what what does this mean as he didn't understand my ES 18mm shorthand, just trying to be helpful without undue elitism or snark. But, whatever floats your boat.
    You're welcome. But... you did say that "everyone" has them which has various implications depending on the reader.

    There are many ways to do the hobby. So it is reasonable to expect some gentle pushback against the ES 82 degree line being the only way to go. Different folks have different requirements and the idea the one approach fits all is not supportable.

    Sometimes the pro ES eyepiece rhetoric on this board gets as insufferable as the pro TV rhetoric elsewhere. Just something to think about. Snarky elitism has several forms. There can be snarky elitism in "best performance no price limit" and also in "only fools pay that much". Either way you pay your money and take your chances.
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    Default Re: 2" eyepiece

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabby76 View Post
    We must be a small group, I do not have one either
    I don't have the ES, either,
    Can't tell you why, maybe Sven Wienstein is guilty, as he has X-rayed one of these EPs side by with the TV, ha, ha.

    This week has added a little set of Pentax O- orthos, and 2 more old Zeiss from Göttingen or Oberkochen,
    but not from elsewhere.

    Tell me why all good EPs have been discontinued,

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    I look forward to seeing your new Pentax Orthos and Zeiss eyepieces JG!
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    Default Re: 2" eyepiece

    Quote Originally Posted by j.gardavsky View Post
    I don't have the ES, either,
    Can't tell you why, maybe Sven Wienstein is guilty, as he has X-rayed one of these EPs side by with the TV, ha, ha.

    This week has added a little set of Pentax O- orthos, and 2 more old Zeiss from Göttingen or Oberkochen,
    but not from elsewhere.

    Tell me why all good EPs have been discontinued,
    One answer might be another question: how many people actually try to see everything that can be seen?
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    Default Re: 2" eyepiece

    Quote Originally Posted by not_Fritz_Argelander View Post
    I think Don Alvarez was making a humorous remark. It might come as a surprise that some of us do not like the ES eyepieces. I used to own some and they are gone. It is most efficient to try before buying.
    Indeed. It's not that I don't like them. I just don't happen to own any.

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    Default Re: 2" eyepiece

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabby76 View Post
    I look forward to seeing your new Pentax Orthos and Zeiss eyepieces JG!
    Hello Gabby,

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    As soon as tested, I'll write a report,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Alvarez View Post
    Indeed. It's not that I don't like them. I just don't happen to own any.
    Yep. And my statement "It might come as a surprise that some of us do not like the ES eyepieces" was a tad too strong. I just did not like them well enough to keep. But then that applies to the TV Naglers too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by not_Fritz_Argelander View Post
    Yep. And my statement "It might come as a surprise that some of us do not like the ES eyepieces" was a tad too strong. I just did not like them well enough to keep. But then that applies to the TV Naglers too.
    With choosing, liking, and keeping the eyepieces,
    it goes similarly like with the girlfriends ...
    arrgh, we are family friendly,

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    Default Re: 2" eyepiece

    Too many people get hung up on eyepiece spec's.
    Exit pupil
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    Lowest Unesful Magnification
    Highest Useful Magnification
    Eye Relief
    Diameter

    The best things you can do is go to star parties, viewing or outreach events and look through the different peoples eyepieces. If you find something you like, ask if you can try it in your scope.
    What people like or hate varies from person to person.
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    Default Re: 2" eyepiece

    Quote Originally Posted by not_Fritz_Argelander View Post
    Yep. And my statement "It might come as a surprise that some of us do not like the ES eyepieces" was a tad too strong. I just did not like them well enough to keep. But then that applies to the TV Naglers too.
    Just admit nFA and Don, you hate ES EPs, just say it.

    I am like many (not all, many ) jumped on ES82 wagon awhile ago. There are a lot of things going for them. I still believe they are one of sharpest EPs around, and the coatings are great for DSOs. However, one by one most of them got replaced in my main set by other brands. Not because ES82 are bad, but other EPs serve better my observing styles.

    Now I know better not to hang on any particular brand, and pick one EP at the time. Still people getting into premium EP realm need somewhere to start. More often than not I keep recommending ES82, because they are safe bet. They perform well in all scope designs, they priced well for the good performance they deliver, and they have a good resale value. So, once you ready to try something different it is easy to sell and move money in next EP.

 

 
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