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    Default 55mm TV Plossl Question



    I like to observe faint nebulae inter alia with small fast refractors (sometimes utilising an OIII filter). I find that the North America Nebula, Pipe Nebula and similar are usually best viewed at very low magnifications. With my ST80 and a 1.25”, 40mm Plossl I can get 10x with an exit pupil of 8mm. Similarly I can get 10.5x with a 6.8mm exit pupil using my 72mm Evostar.

    A 55mm, 2” TeleVue Plossl in my 80mm Evostar will give 10.9x and an exit pupil of 7.3mm. So, not too far off what the 40mm eyepiece could achieve in the ST80 and ED72.

    In my ST102 it would give 9x with an 11.2mm exit pupil.

    It’s worth repeating that this focuser has the ability to take 2” eyepieces (unlike the smaller 80mm Star Travel): great for really wide deep-sky views. This means that with, say, a 55mm Plossl you will get a binocular-sized 5.3 degree true field at 9x magnification. It also makes for wider-field astro-photos too.

    Because I'm curious about the above statement in the review of the ST102. I like the idea of binocular-sized TFOV combined with binocular type magnifications.

    Has anyone used a 55mm Plossl (or equivalent) with a fast refractor? If so, what were your experiences with it?

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    Default Re: 55mm TV Plossl Question

    I think it will largely depend on the sky quality. My observing locations never get dark enough to enjoy exit pupils above 4-5 mm. The sky is too bright and target details are washed out. Other than that 55mm TV Plossl is a very nice EP. I tried it on a few occasions in my 6" F5 achro and 8" F10 SCT. The EP is sharp and FOV is flat.

    Since details is so washed out I could not tell any difference between $200+ TV and ~$70 Russel Optics Super Plossl. So I sold the former and kept the later. Actually, Russel Optics is a well executed EP.

    http://www.russell-optics.com/two_inch.html
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    Default Re: 55mm TV Plossl Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigzmey View Post
    Since details is so washed out I could not tell any difference between $200+ TV and ~$70 Russel Optics Super Plossl. So I sold the former and kept the later. Actually, Russel Optics is a well executed EP.

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    Agreed. I have the TV Plossls minus the 55mm (which is likely a Symmetrical not a Plossl). I've had the 65mm and 80mm Russell eyepieces and they are quite nice. If I were in the market for a 55mm I'd likely prefer the RO Super Plossl, a five element 3 group design that is likely a pseudo Masuyama in real life. (pseudo Masuyama doesn't market well though )

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    Default Re: 55mm TV Plossl Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Shorty Barlow View Post
    I like to observe faint nebulae inter alia with small fast refractors (sometimes utilising an OIII filter). I find that the North America Nebula, Pipe Nebula and similar are usually best viewed at very low magnifications. With my ST80 and a 1.25”, 40mm Plossl I can get 10x with an exit pupil of 8mm. Similarly I can get 10.5x with a 6.8mm exit pupil using my 72mm Evostar.

    A 55mm, 2” TeleVue Plossl in my 80mm Evostar will give 10.9x and an exit pupil of 7.3mm. So, not too far off what the 40mm eyepiece could achieve in the ST80 and ED72.

    In my ST102 it would give 9x with an 11.2mm exit pupil.

    It’s worth repeating that this focuser has the ability to take 2” eyepieces (unlike the smaller 80mm Star Travel): great for really wide deep-sky views. This means that with, say, a 55mm Plossl you will get a binocular-sized 5.3 degree true field at 9x magnification. It also makes for wider-field astro-photos too.

    Because I'm curious about the above statement in the review of the ST102. I like the idea of binocular-sized TFOV combined with binocular type magnifications.

    Has anyone used a 55mm Plossl (or equivalent) with a fast refractor? If so, what were your experiences with it?

    Thanks.
    Hello Shorty Barlow,

    this is spot on, as I have also noticed this long f eyepiece on the web, even if my preference in that case would be towards the Baader Eudiascopic 35mm, the pseudo Masuyama, not_Fritz would say (?).

    Thera are not many nebulae for the long f eyepieces on the short F telescopes, even when I mount the Astrodon
    ultra narrow 5nm OIII filter on the filter wheel.
    And these less than dozen low contrast nebulae are better seen through the binoculars, as the binocular vision expands the sensitivity of human visual perception towards the low contrast differences.

    As you have binoviewers, the high exit pupils on the long f eyepieces would certainly help, but with more than about 7mm you are giving light away.

    My longest f eyepiece is the professional grade Leica L f=32mm (field stop - 2 - 1) with a transmissivity close to 98% and excellent contrast, but even then, this eyepiece finds less use on the big faint nebulae than my binoculars.

    Best,

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    Default Re: 55mm TV Plossl Question

    I have a Parks 50mm plossl, which gives around 5.2 degree field at 9.6x in my TV76, with an exit pupil of around 8mm (so some light is wasted). It does give a lovely deep sky view, nice and sharp and contrasty: but probably not as good as my 11x80 Carton binoculars (2 eyes are better than one!), or even my 15x70 Orion Resolux binos (which have a 4.4 degree fov). It also has around 40mm eye-relief: one of my colleagues said "You have to stand the other side of the paddock to look through it!" A little bit of Aussie exaggeration, but you get the idea: it isn't easy to make the most of the view with that sort of eye relief.

    Personally for around about the price of the 55mm Plossl I would be more tempted to get (say) the Oberwerk 15x70 deluxe binos (4.2 degree fov) than use the 55mm with one of your short FL telescopes. (Unless you can get the eyepiece for $A50 like my Parks 50mm!)

    By the way, I investigated getting one of the Russell Optics eyepieces after some positive reviews on this site, but he wouldn't post them out of the US. He said that his local Post Office wont handle overseas posts (!!!), and that he would have to drive 40 miles to find a Post Office that would. Coming from Australia where you can post anything anywhere from any Post Office, even from the remote Outback, this was something that I found totally bizarre!

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    Default Re: 55mm TV Plossl Question

    Quote Originally Posted by DeanD View Post
    I have a Parks 50mm plossl, which gives around 5.2 degree field at 9.6x in my TV76, with an exit pupil of around 8mm (so some light is wasted). It does give a lovely deep sky view, nice and sharp and contrasty: but probably not as good as my 11x80 Carton binoculars (2 eyes are better than one!), or even my 15x70 Orion Resolux binos (which have a 4.4 degree fov). It also has around 40mm eye-relief: one of my colleagues said "You have to stand the other side of the paddock to look through it!" A little bit of Aussie exaggeration, but you get the idea: it isn't easy to make the most of the view with that sort of eye relief.

    Personally for around about the price of the 55mm Plossl I would be more tempted to get (say) the Oberwerk 15x70 deluxe binos (4.2 degree fov) than use the 55mm with one of your short FL telescopes. (Unless you can get the eyepiece for $A50 like my Parks 50mm!)

    By the way, I investigated getting one of the Russell Optics eyepieces after some positive reviews on this site, but he wouldn't post them out of the US. He said that his local Post Office wont handle overseas posts (!!!), and that he would have to drive 40 miles to find a Post Office that would. Coming from Australia where you can post anything anywhere from any Post Office, even from the remote Outback, this was something that I found totally bizarre!
    I can understand his dilemma. In the good old days (before the 1980s) the USPS was quite fine. As a result of political silliness, it is not as fine as it once was. It used to be as you would expect. Although I have a small village post office only about a mile away, I have poorer chances of items getting to their destination (even within the US) than if I drive to the regional post offices ~20 miles away.

    This deterioration in service was noticeable even 20 years ago. I spent over a year in Japan and it was wonderful to have a postal service as good as the USPS used to be.

    The strategy of encouraging private delivery and post services like FedEx and its ilk has not improved the quality or cost of services.
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    Default Re: 55mm TV Plossl Question

    Wow, I have never seen a 50mm EP on sale anywhere. I knew they existed, though

    Not really an answer to the original question, but extended fuzzy objects are best viewed with a pair of, say, 70-100mm binoculars. They have a big advantage that you easily can take them with you should you visit southern places from where you can really observe a lot of stuff that they are good for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigzmey View Post
    I think it will largely depend on the sky quality. My observing locations never get dark enough to enjoy exit pupils above 4-5 mm. The sky is too bright and target details are washed out. Other than that 55mm TV Plossl is a very nice EP. I tried it on a few occasions in my 6" F5 achro and 8" F10 SCT. The EP is sharp and FOV is flat.

    Since details is so washed out I could not tell any difference between $200+ TV and ~$70 Russel Optics Super Plossl. So I sold the former and kept the later. Actually, Russel Optics is a well executed EP.

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    Thanks for your reply. I live out in the country so my sky is often fairly dark. I've seen the Russel Optics site before, they look really nice but I don't think I can easily import them. It will be interesting to see what the 55mm Plossl is like on the ST102. Although I'm guessing it will be used more in my ED80 and SCT lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j.gardavsky View Post
    Hello Shorty Barlow,

    this is spot on, as I have also noticed this long f eyepiece on the web, even if my preference in that case would be towards the Baader Eudiascopic 35mm, the pseudo Masuyama, not_Fritz would say (?).

    Thera are not many nebulae for the long f eyepieces on the short F telescopes, even when I mount the Astrodon
    ultra narrow 5nm OIII filter on the filter wheel.
    And these less than dozen low contrast nebulae are better seen through the binoculars, as the binocular vision expands the sensitivity of human visual perception towards the low contrast differences.

    As you have binoviewers, the high exit pupils on the long f eyepieces would certainly help, but with more than about 7mm you are giving light away.

    My longest f eyepiece is the professional grade Leica L f=32mm (field stop - 2 - 1) with a transmissivity close to 98% and excellent contrast, but even then, this eyepiece finds less use on the big faint nebulae than my binoculars.

    Best,

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    Thanks JG. I have the 35mm Baader Eudiascopic. I was really wondering about the possibility of using a large 2" Plossl, with its large field stop and potentially sharp optics.

    Binoculars are problematical for me. I'm partially paralysed on the entire right side of my body. This makes sitting down to observe really necessary. Although I am now getting some dexterity back into my right arm and fingers, unfortunately I'm not getting as much overall range back as I'd like. So sitting or occasionally standing to find an object with a small refractor is much easier for me than trying to hold binoculars with one hand (with or without a stand).

    In my experience binoviewers also have focusing problems with fast refractors. Plus there are logistical issues for me. I use my bino's with a 127mm Mak predominantly to view with high magnifications into the plane of the ecliptic. I can set the Mak up fairly low on the AZ5 and sit and observe relatively comfortably.

    To get the most out of an alt-az and a small portable refractor I need to be able to set it higher on the mount (for viewing on or near the zenith). This over-complicates things with a binoviewer.

    My main interest is what an 11mm exit pupil would be like with the ST102 and a 55mm Plossl. I know there's a good 4mm that my eyes won't be able to use, but the trade off is a 9x magnification with an f/5, 102mm aperture.

    I guess I'll find out lol.
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    Default Re: 55mm TV Plossl Question

    Quote Originally Posted by DeanD View Post
    I have a Parks 50mm plossl, which gives around 5.2 degree field at 9.6x in my TV76, with an exit pupil of around 8mm (so some light is wasted). It does give a lovely deep sky view, nice and sharp and contrasty: but probably not as good as my 11x80 Carton binoculars (2 eyes are better than one!), or even my 15x70 Orion Resolux binos (which have a 4.4 degree fov). It also has around 40mm eye-relief: one of my colleagues said "You have to stand the other side of the paddock to look through it!" A little bit of Aussie exaggeration, but you get the idea: it isn't easy to make the most of the view with that sort of eye relief.

    Personally for around about the price of the 55mm Plossl I would be more tempted to get (say) the Oberwerk 15x70 deluxe binos (4.2 degree fov) than use the 55mm with one of your short FL telescopes. (Unless you can get the eyepiece for $A50 like my Parks 50mm!)

    By the way, I investigated getting one of the Russell Optics eyepieces after some positive reviews on this site, but he wouldn't post them out of the US. He said that his local Post Office wont handle overseas posts (!!!), and that he would have to drive 40 miles to find a Post Office that would. Coming from Australia where you can post anything anywhere from any Post Office, even from the remote Outback, this was something that I found totally bizarre!

    All the best,

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    Thanks Dean. Well, I've always wanted the 55mm TV Plossl anyway, I have all the others, so now I have the complete set of TV Plossls lol. If you think the USPS is bizarre try using the Royal Mail. I'm scared of ordering anything from the US now as the Royal Mail usually loses it at Heathrow. The USPS will track anything from the Pacific to the Eastern Seaboard. As soon as it gets into the UK it disappears.

    Give Postman Pat the sack I say. He'd probably only lose it at Heathrow anyway ROTFLMAO.
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