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    Default Baader 1.25"/2" Morpheus 76░ Wide-Field Eyepiece - 6.5mm or 9mm or???



    Hey All,

    Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays,

    Speaking of Christmas I just got some amazon gift cards and now in the hunt for a nice quality eyepiece for around $275 and under. I have been checking out the Baader 1.25"/2" Morpheus 76░ Wide-Field Eyepiece - 6.5mm or 9mm. Has anyone used them and can make a comparison to other eyeieces of this range?

    Now I plan on using it with my 10" Aperatura Dobsonian to see some light DSO's and planets and star hop. My other attraction to the 6.5mm one is that it would almost match my ZWo 385mc for magnification I think. So I could find a planetary nebula or something and just switch out and try to get some footage Also I liove the wide looking area so it will be easy to show others rather then looking through a smaller hole and having the object go out of view.

    One of my questions is... With either of these two if I put my end of the 2.25x Baader Q-Turet barlow or 2xGSO Barlow on the end the eyepiece, will the filed of view decrease? And would the FOV decrease even more using the whole Barlow if I wanted higher Magnification. I know Galaxies and such prefer a lower mag but I just want to have a nice med to high piece with great eye relief and like the 2"/1.25" option

    I am interested in these sizes because I already have a nice SWA 70 Deg 15mm and a 32mm GSO 2" Superview. I guess basically I found the 15mm to be week and like have more power without lack of lossing the wide angle.

    I am also open to all suggestions for any eyepieces/Brand for this range. But one thing I want is a nice wide view over 70 Deg and something under 13mm in size since I already have a 15mm. How would a Explore Scientific compare to these as well?

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    Default Re: Baader 1.25"/2" Morpheus 76░ Wide-Field Eyepiece - 6.5mm or 9mm or???

    As far as I know the field of view doesn't start vignetting at higher magnification, if it wasn't ( sometimes almost invisible) vignetted in the first place. At least I can't remember having seen this phenomenon.

    The real field of view will decrease at higher magnifications of course. Law of physics.

    I have got the Baader Morpheus 14mm. There is something to tell about that one.

    Pro's.
    First of all the 76 degree field is a very comfortable one. One can see a wide field in one view without having to turn the head / eye to the edge of the field, like you have to do with most 82 degree eyepieces. As a matter of fact the result is very pleasing. Sharpness at the very edge is good, at least I can still see airy-discs and diffraction rings there and no astigmatic crosses or sea-gulls in my f/7.5
    Brightness is impressing, not in the least because of the wide field, which suggests us a deeper impression. Last but not least is the impression one gets that the edges of the barrel seem to disappear when observing at the right eye-relief. It is a bit like the famous Edmund Scientific RKE 28mm. Must have to do with the big eyelens. When you are sensitive to it, it is breathtaking.

    Cons.
    An unexperienced observer at first glance will have trouble in finding the right observing distance to the eye. Too close, to far away will give some beaning. Not centered eye gives some partial blackouts. Annoying when you are not used to it. The eyecup is a bit too far away to give the eyebrow some rest on the edge and stay centered. Once used to it there is no problem. It took me one observing evening to get used to it, and it doesn't bother me any more. I don't even see it any more, to be precise. It is no big deal, but something you ought to know.
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    Default Re: Baader 1.25"/2" Morpheus 76░ Wide-Field Eyepiece - 6.5mm or 9mm or???

    Yeah, I have the 14mm Morpheus. John's just about nailed it. The huge eye lens gives very impressive 'porthole' views, but until you get used to the eye position there can be some kidney beaning.

    It's quite light for its size. I'd be wary of using it in a 2" prism diagonal without an adapter however as the 1.25" barrel could make contact with the glass surface.

    It's a nice EP even though it resembles a dalek lol.

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    Default Re: Baader 1.25"/2" Morpheus 76░ Wide-Field Eyepiece - 6.5mm or 9mm or???

    Thanks guys :0 Nice details about it John and nice song shortyB I think I will play that tonight for my family
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    Default Re: Baader 1.25"/2" Morpheus 76░ Wide-Field Eyepiece - 6.5mm or 9mm or???

    Can you return EP if you don't like it? I purchased Morpheus 13mm at one point, but returned. The eye position sensitivity was too annoying. I can hover and find the right spot no problem, but slightest eye movement causes kidney beaning, which makes averted vision observing very hard, at least for me.

    I would suggest Explorer Scientific 68 and 82 degrees, or Meade 5000 UWA (82 deg) instead. They produce great quality views, and I find them much more comfortable.

    Explorer Scientific and Meade UWA are also good match for DOBs optics.
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    Default Re: Baader 1.25"/2" Morpheus 76░ Wide-Field Eyepiece - 6.5mm or 9mm or???

    Oddly, after reading this thread, I've been doing some indoor weight trials with my ST102 on a Sky-Watcher AZ5 Deluxe mount/tripod. I haven't used my 14mm Morpheus for three or four years and I hate to see it just sitting on a shelf. I've discovered that it is light enough to be used with a 2" diagonal although I use a Baader 1.25" adapter in the diagonal. I'm itching to get it out now as soon as there is a break in the weather. It will give about 36x for a 2.8mm exit pupil and 2 degrees, eight minutes of TFOV.
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    Default Re: Baader 1.25"/2" Morpheus 76░ Wide-Field Eyepiece - 6.5mm or 9mm or???

    I went with the 9mm I only had 2 partly cloudy nights to view it. I love the views. Two things I didn't like was that it was awkward to get your eye in the right position as stated above and the rubber cup was a little soft. But once I had my eye in the right position, the view was great. I read around a bit and found that adding the M43 extender (that came with it) to the eyepiece helped out more, I then read you can can add another, so I purchased another M43 extender along with an "Agena Eyepiece Eye Guard: ID = 1.57" (40mm), Rubber, Black, For Some 2" Eyepieces # EG04" and replaced it. Now with two 43mm extenders and the new rubber cup I have no issues seeing the correct position. Although I did not test it at night yet, but only looking at with out scope since I just got it the day of writing this lol. But the difference from before and after the added (2) extenders and new eyecup is night and day from an indoor test. It instantly finds the right position and holds it now.

    I also was curious about the eye projection capabilities so I purchased the M43/t2 adapter ring as well (So I have (2) 7.5mm and (1) 15mm spacer/extenders now to hopefully get placement right as well as a Helical Focuser and nosepiece to add if necesary). I plan on testing it with my zwo385mc tonight to compare it to prime focus. I know people say prime is better but if it works out good I can then image at a lower magnification and especially if I purchase another one with longer focal length. But I am doing this mainly as experimental purposes and playing around

    I will let you guys know how it goes with the new setup and the eye projection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebutcher View Post
    I went with the 9mm I only had 2 partly cloudy nights to view it. I love the views. Two things I didn't like was that it was awkward to get your eye in the right position as stated above and the rubber cup was a little soft. But once I had my eye in the right position, the view was great. I read around a bit and found that adding the M43 extender (that came with it) to the eyepiece helped out more, I then read you can can add another, so I purchased another M43 extender along with an "Agena Eyepiece Eye Guard: ID = 1.57" (40mm), Rubber, Black, For Some 2" Eyepieces # EG04" and replaced it. Now with two 43mm extenders and the new rubber cup I have no issues seeing the correct position. Although I did not test it at night yet, but only looking at with out scope since I just got it the day of writing this lol. But the difference from before and after the added (2) extenders and new eyecup is night and day from an indoor test. It instantly finds the right position and holds it now.

    I also was curious about the eye projection capabilities so I purchased the M43/t2 adapter ring as well (So I have (2) 7.5mm and (1) 15mm spacer/extenders now to hopefully get placement right as well as a Helical Focuser and nosepiece to add if necesary). I plan on testing it with my zwo385mc tonight to compare it to prime focus. I know people say prime is better but if it works out good I can then image at a lower magnification and especially if I purchase another one with longer focal length. But I am doing this mainly as experimental purposes and playing around

    I will let you guys know how it goes with the new setup and the eye projection.
    That's very interesting about the M43 extender. I'd forgotten about these completely. Thanks for the reminder, I may try one myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shorty Barlow View Post
    That's very interesting about the M43 extender. I'd forgotten about these completely. Thanks for the reminder, I may try one myself.
    I guess Baader was listening to people. I am not sure how the morpheus came over a year ago but I read the 2018 ones come with 1 m43 extender and a screw eyecup holder. So the rubber is on there firmly now and secure. But I took it off to put the new stronger rubber cupo on (I think it is the same rubber as my 30mm GSO Super View that came with my Aperaturea AD10). It seems like it was glued on lightly to the plastic eyecup ring as it was a little hard to get the rubber off the ring. Now the new one is a bit secure just placed on there, but i am thinking about adding some light glue to it so it it will be secure more since it did fall off when I folded the cup down and tried to put the cap on the morpheus.

    I am thinking the newer screw on eyecap adds about 4-5mm to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebutcher View Post
    I guess Baader was listening to people. I am not sure how the morpheus came over a year ago but I read the 2018 ones come with 1 m43 extender and a screw eyecup holder. So the rubber is on there firmly now and secure. But I took it off to put the new stronger rubber cupo on (I think it is the same rubber as my 30mm GSO Super View that came with my Aperaturea AD10). It seems like it was glued on lightly to the plastic eyecup ring as it was a little hard to get the rubber off the ring. Now the new one is a bit secure just placed on there, but i am thinking about adding some light glue to it so it it will be secure more since it did fall off when I folded the cup down and tried to put the cap on the morpheus.

    I am thinking the newer screw on eyecap adds about 4-5mm to it.
    My Morpheus came with two different eyeguards IIRC and I switched to the second one. To be honest, after persevering a short while, eye positioning will become easier with the Morpheus anyway.
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