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    Default Re: DOCTER completing my ultrawide arsenal



    Quote Originally Posted by sketrip View Post
    Congratulations JG!

    Agena is running a sale (https://agenaastro.com/docter-12-5-m...-eyepiece.html) as apparently they will no longer be made? A measly $599 us if you "act now". At double the cost of an XW that has to be one heckuva view!

    Enjoy JG, looking forward to the first light.
    Hello Sketrip,

    DOCTER is quite popular in Germany, and the eyepiece has been often quoted as backordered, or 'ask for delivery terms'.
    I have also the DOCTER Nobilem 7x50B binoculars, which I really love
    Docter Nobilem 7x50 Porro against Jenoptem, Leica Ultravid, and Swarovski EL Sv

    Best,

    JG
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    Default Re: DOCTER completing my ultrawide arsenal

    Quote Originally Posted by j.gardavsky View Post
    Hello all,

    I have had my eyes on the DOCTER eyepiece since it came on the market years ago.
    Thanks to the fusion between Noblex GmbH and Docter Optik, I have received from Noblex the legendary DOCTER f = 12.5mm 84° eyepiece as an ex-demo item, and this has speeded up my decision.

    The eyepiece has been delivered today in the original box,

    Attachment 187091


    Attachment 187092

    in a condition as new.

    The manufacturer’s main specifications are as follows:
    Focus length and thread: f = 12.5mm, 1.25”
    AFOV: 84°
    Eye relief: 18mm
    Mass: 525g
    Dimensions: 119mm x 55mm
    Range of temperatures for the outside use: -25°C up to +55°C
    Range of temperatures for storage: -40°C up to +70°C
    Original purpose of its optics design: Docter 80mm observational double refractor

    Some reviews and narratives:
    The Best Eyepiece I have ever used - 12.5mm Docter [Archive] - IceInSpace
    https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/2.../#entry3413469

    The Docter completes my little arsenal of the ultrawide eyepieces,

    Attachment 187093

    The first light report will come as soon as the weather permits.

    Thank you for sharing my excitement,

    JG
    Hello JG,
    Well done! I know one observer ( well known under Dutch Astroforummers) who possesses one too. He is very enthusiastic. It is a topper, according to him.
    I suppose it was just a question of waiting for an opportunity for you to buy one? Very rightly done so.
    Congratulations!
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    Default Re: DOCTER completing my ultrawide arsenal

    Quote Originally Posted by John Baars View Post
    Hello JG,
    Well done! I know one observer ( well known under Dutch Astroforummers) who possesses one too. He is very enthusiastic. It is a topper, according to him.
    I suppose it was just a question of waiting for an opportunity for you to buy one? Very rightly done so.
    Congratulations!
    Thank you John,

    I have been patiently waiting many years on the best possible offer, and finally I've got the eyepiece from Noblex.
    I did not want to make a compromise with the ultrawide eyepieces from Far East, even if they are very good.

    If I am counting correctly, then the first laser beam tracing reveals 7 lenses inside (1 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 1),
    the field lens is evidently aspheric, DOCTER proprietary aspheric. The cements in the doublets are invisible.
    The closest eyepiece in my collection may be the Zeiss D 30x/40x B WW (f=12.8mm, 68°, 8 lenses),
    and the Abbe ortho KK Fujiyama (Tak brand) f=12.5mm.

    Within the next 2 weeks I am likely to get a Zeiss 435nm narrow passband metal interference filter to test the EPs performance in the deep blue. The transmissivity performance around 430nm - 450nm is the last option to get deeper into the deep space without increasing the aperture.

    Best,

    JG
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    Default Re: DOCTER completing my ultrawide arsenal

    Quote Originally Posted by j.gardavsky View Post
    (...)
    The closest eyepiece in my collection may be the Zeiss D 30x/40x B WW (f=12.8mm, 68°, 8 lenses),
    and the Abbe ortho KK Fujiyama (Tak brand) f=12.5mm.

    Within the next 2 weeks I am likely to get a Zeiss 435nm narrow passband metal interference filter to test the EPs performance in the deep blue. The transmissivity performance around 430nm - 450nm is the last option to get deeper into the deep space without increasing the aperture.

    Best,

    JG
    According to the AASVO observer I mentioned earlier the Docter is at least on par with Fujiyama 12.5 mm, if not better. It is used for variable stars. The only minor difference is a 4 times bigger field......., which makes observing variables and comparing to defined stars a lot easier. And a whole lot of other applications. I am curious about your findings. According to the satellite Germany is free of clouds now......:-)

    Best and Clear skies!
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    Hello John,

    we have since yesterday no clouds, but a high humidity and strong winds.
    This year shows quite unusual weather situations, dominated with the air masses and winds from east.

    The first check will be on the terrestrial objects, as always, maybe tomorrow.

    The most use of the DOCTER will be on the large diffuse nebulae at the middle magnifications,
    requiring a high contrast eyepiece with the ultra wide field.

    The planets are well served with the Leica aspheric zoom on the Baader VIP Barlow.

    Best,

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    Quote Originally Posted by sketrip View Post
    Congratulations JG!

    Agena is running a sale (https://agenaastro.com/docter-12-5-m...-eyepiece.html) as apparently they will no longer be made? A measly $599 us if you "act now". At double the cost of an XW that has to be one heckuva view!

    Enjoy JG, looking forward to the first light.
    I confess...agenaastro is now out of stock. :-)
    I do believe that JG is the instigator of at least 6 of my EP acquisitions. :-)

    The Doctor arrived today. No sky, but I will put it to use first on terrestrial views.
    An absolutely exquisite piece of work. I probably did not need this EP, but I very much enjoy the exotic.
    I may leave my office early today just to try it out.

    Thank you again JG.
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    Hello Mark,

    you have definitely made a right choice!
    I have made the first terrestrial test of DOCTER against the Tak 12.5mm Abbe ortho (KK Fujiyama) on my 6" F/5 achro, and the DOCTER is knife sharp edge to edge - something I have never seen on the ultrawide EPs besides the Leica Asph WW zoom at 80° FOV (f=9mm).
    DOCTER beats the Tak Abbe ortho on contrast, both at the Daves resolution limit,
    and on the contrast of colors - especially in red.
    The test will be reported as soon as we have the Forum functionalities consolidated.

    So, you deserve congratulations on your decission!

    Looking forward to your reports,

    JG

    PS: There is sometimes the last train to take to go, and nobody knows when the next train will be coming.
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    I caught that train. :-)
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    Hello all,

    as the 18th November has been the last Golden November day, I have made a short terrestrial test of the DOCTER f=12.5mm against the Tak (KK Fujiyama Abbe ortho) f=12.5mm, mounted on the 6" F/5 Synta (Sky-Watcher) achromatic refractor.
    Holding the Lumix Panasonic GF7 camera with the Olympus 1.8/25 lens, I took afocal pictures of houses over a distance of 1,600 meters between 15:01 and 15:17, under the good seeing conditions (outside temperature +7°C, bright sunshine).

    The first picture shows the scene: DOCTER at left, Tak at right,

    DOCTER vs Tak 12,5mm in FOV of Tak.jpg

    The second picture shows section of the scene with the pixel-to-pixel resolution,

    DOCTER vs Tak 12,5mm detail in center field.jpg

    Visually and photographically, the both eyepieces resolve the same details sized down to the Daves resolution limit
    of 0.77 arcseconds.
    The only visible difference between the both eyepieces is the lower contrast of Tak, and a small loss of sharpness of the Tak towards the edge of the field of view.
    The DOCTER eyepiece performs very sharp edge to edge.

    Best,

    JG
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    Default Re: DOCTER completing my ultrawide arsenal

    Quote Originally Posted by j.gardavsky View Post
    Visually and photographically, the both eyepieces resolve the same details sized down to the Daves resolution limit
    of 0.77 arcseconds.
    The only visible difference between the both eyepieces is the lower contrast of Tak, and a small loss of sharpness of the Tak towards the edge of the field of view.
    The DOCTER eyepiece performs very sharp edge to edge.
    I agree with your conclusions but would add one other: the Docter has more pincushion distortion to my eye than the Tak. However I have to say that this is the lowest amount of pincushion I have ever seen in an 80+ AFOV eyepiece. I might need to consider getting one and reconsider my ban on wide fields? The amount of distortion is very, very low. It would have to be rated as unobjectionable to my eyes for sure!
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