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    Default Re: New Vixen Planetarys



    Quote Originally Posted by j.gardavsky View Post
    I keep wondering what is Vixen hiding.
    I question why they would compare the HR 1.6mm to the LV 2.5mm instead of comparing the HR 2.6mm. The LV series originally was not designed for fast scopes but as a long eye relief ortho for lack of a better term. The only thing these seem to have in common is the ortho FOV. 42 for the HR and 45 for the LV.
    I think it will be interesting to see what the upcoming reviews have to say about them.
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    Default Re: New Vixen Planetarys

    Hello Gabby

    if they are just redesigned 3 lenses long orthos with a 2 lenses short Smyth?
    Two and three is five, ha, ha.

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    Default Re: New Vixen Planetarys

    That was my first thought, a redesign of the ortho. If these do perform as stated I would get the 2mm and 2.6mm versions. The 1.6mm would be the eyepiece for that one night in a decade that would allow that much power.
    It is an interesting variation of the design though to use a Smythe lens to help correct abberations instead of the usual "internal barlow lens" since the design is usually more associated with wide field lens.
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    Default Re: New Vixen Planetarys

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabby76 View Post
    That was my first thought, a redesign of the ortho. If these do perform as stated I would get the 2mm and 2.6mm versions. The 1.6mm would be the eyepiece for that one night in a decade that would allow that much power.
    It is an interesting variation of the design though to use a Smythe lens to help correct abberations instead of the usual "internal barlow lens" since the design is usually more associated with wide field lens.
    Hello Gabby,

    yes, that's the point, I was also surprized.
    But we still don't know for sure the optics design of these EPs.
    These new expensive HiRes Vixens may be a response to the on-budget BCO Q concept of Baader, which seems to work quite well.

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    Default Re: New Vixen Planetarys

    Now here is something I would love to attend and wish more manufacturers would consider.
    Vixen is having a live beta test for the new HR Planetary in April! Bring your own scope and observe the moon with them.
    Over the years there have been many complaints about customer service out of Japan but they seem to be trying to correct this as of late, I wonder if this type of product release will become normal for them.
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    Default Re: New Vixen Planetarys

    Hello Gabrielle,

    this sounds like a great idea, as the new Vixen HR are not cheap.

    Even more than the planets and the Moon, I'd be interested how the 2.4mm EP resolves the globular clusters and the double stars.
    Would you remember me during your tests?

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    Default Re: New Vixen Planetarys

    So after a few emails back and forth with a friend in Japan who has discussed these eyepieces with a Vixen representative, he confirmed for me that Vixen is stating they are "like a Konig". This was also stated on CN but I wanted to confirm.
    For myself these eyepieces are getting quite interesting as the design and specifications are contrary to the normal application.
    I am getting ready to buy one just to take it apart!
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    Default Re: New Vixen Planetarys

    Thank Gabrielle for the update!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabby76 View Post
    So after a few emails back and forth with a friend in Japan who has discussed these eyepieces with a Vixen representative, he confirmed for me that Vixen is stating they are "like a Konig". This was also stated on CN but I wanted to confirm.
    For myself these eyepieces are getting quite interesting as the design and specifications are contrary to the normal application.
    I am getting ready to buy one just to take it apart!
    Not needed, you can get them X-rayed, and then we can see what's inside.
    See how Sven does it with ES vs TV, Explore Scientific 14mm Ethos 13mm English

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    Default Re: New Vixen Planetarys

    Ahh yes, the ES vs Televue controversy. Though I Followed the discussion for awhile at the time until it basically degenerated into name calling.
    An interesting way to analyze an eyepiece but it does not take into account types of glass used or individual coatings.
    Thanks for posting the link JG.
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    Default Re: New Vixen Planetarys

    Hello Gabrielle,

    the HR Vixens have, unlike the König EPs, a pretty small field of view, so I would not expect a big surprize with the glass materials used. An X-ray pic, and some ray tracing on the PC, would be enough for anyone knowledgeable to make an educated guess what's inside.
    Regarding the multicoatings, likely are the HT, which are a spin-off of the Zeiss HT. A definite answer can give an inspection with Woollan. The Ricoh/Pentax SMC are a spin-off of the Zeiss T*, but hardly to be expected in Vixen.

    What may be quite interesting is the Smyth lens in the HR Vixens, this may be the game changer, let's see.

    Looking forward to your taking the Vixen into the bits and pieces,

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