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    Default ES 82 vs Meade UWA vs Nagler



    I saw some good deals and end up buying quite few EPs. It seems that I got enough for 1-2 months of cloudy weather. So now the only thing I can observe is my expanded EP collection and read about them as well.

    So I been reading some discussions on CN and some folks are saying that ES 82 and Meade UWA series were copied or reverse-engineered of Nagler design.

    Specs for some look nearly identical. For instance, 8.8 mm ES 82 has 14mm ER and 8.9oz weight and 8.8 mm Meade UWA has 15mm ER and 9oz weight. ES 82 also look like Naglers.

    Are all 82 degree series are variations of Nagler design?

    Also, I red that 14mm is the weakest in ES82 line and 8.8mm in Meade UWA line.

    Any comments?

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    Default Re: ES 82 vs Meade UWA vs Nagler

    From what I've read most reviews give a slight edge to the Naglers performance-wise, although the ES offer the best bang for the buck at just half the cost of the Naglers but 90-95% of the optical performance. For some, that extra 5% may be worth twice the price but that's up to the individual buyer, I suppose. The Meade UWA EPs seem to perform respectably in slower scopes, but in faster scopes it seems the ES or TeleVue EPs are preferred. My Meade UWA 14mm performs quite nicely in my f/10 and f/7.89 scopes, but I wouldn't recommend it for someone who wears glasses (eye relief a bit tight for that). I recently acquired the ES 82* 30mm (it's a beast!), still waiting on the cloud curse to pass me by to get a proper review on that one. Your C8 with its f/10 focal ratio will perform well with about any decent EP you stick in it as does my C11, some may say there's no reason for us slow scope guys to buy premium EPs, but I look at it as a long term investment, and who's to say I might not acquire a big, fast Dob several years down the road? Then I'd be happy that I spent the extra $ on good EPs. It's likely you'll notice more of a performance difference in your EPs in your f/5 refractor than in your C8. I got a good feel for this hobby over the past two years with a nice selection of budget EPs, now that I know I'm in it for the long haul I see no reason to not invest in the higher end EPs as my budget allows.
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    Default Re: ES 82 vs Meade UWA vs Nagler

    Quote Originally Posted by Wingsfan81 View Post
    From what I've read most reviews give a slight edge to the Naglers performance-wise, although the ES offer the best bang for the buck at just half the cost of the Naglers but 90-95% of the optical performance. For some, that extra 5% may be worth twice the price but that's up to the individual buyer, I suppose. The Meade UWA EPs seem to perform respectably in slower scopes, but in faster scopes it seems the ES or TeleVue EPs are preferred. My Meade UWA 14mm performs quite nicely in my f/10 and f/7.89 scopes, but I wouldn't recommend it for someone who wears glasses (eye relief a bit tight for that). I recently acquired the ES 82* 30mm (it's a beast!), still waiting on the cloud curse to pass me by to get a proper review on that one. Your C8 with its f/10 focal ratio will perform well with about any decent EP you stick in it as does my C11, some may say there's no reason for us slow scope guys to buy premium EPs, but I look at it as a long term investment, and who's to say I might not acquire a big, fast Dob several years down the road? Then I'd be happy that I spent the extra $ on good EPs. It's likely you'll notice more of a performance difference in your EPs in your f/5 refractor than in your C8. I got a good feel for this hobby over the past two years with a nice selection of budget EPs, now that I know I'm in it for the long haul I see no reason to not invest in the higher end EPs as my budget allows.
    Thanks for the thoughts! I am like you now trying to invest in good quality EPs. Besides I do see the difference in focus sharpness and light-scatter control between ES 82 and other EP lines I have. I was happy with my EP collection for 120ST, but when I bought C8 I got ambushed by Luminos set. It performed great in 120ST, but when I tried them in C8, bad light-scatter became evident.

    Any issues with light-scatter with your 14 mm UWA in C11? I thought before that Luminos and Meade UWA share similar design (kinda like X-Cel LX and Meade H60) but I might be wrong.
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    Default Re: ES 82 vs Meade UWA vs Nagler

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigzmey View Post
    Thanks for the thoughts! I am like you now trying to invest in good quality EPs. Besides I do see the difference in focus sharpness and light-scatter control between ES 82 and other EP lines I have. I was happy with my EP collection for 120ST, but when I bought C8 I got ambushed by Luminos set. It performed great in 120ST, but when I tried them in C8, bad light-scatter became evident.

    Any issues with light-scatter with your 14 mm UWA in C11? I thought before that Luminos and Meade UWA share similar design (kinda like X-Cel LX and Meade H60) but I might be wrong.
    I've actually been very pleased with my Meade 14mm, and it is a focal length that I've had to demand quite a lot of in both of my scopes. In my 4.5" Newt it now serves as my primary DSO piece, and it has served that purpose very well, pulling out the Leo triplet very nicely on a recent session along with some of my best views of M42 and a few open clusters in my small scope. I can definitely detect a performance edge in this EP over my budget EPs, better color, contrast, and sharper focus along with a nice, dark background. In my C11 I've used it primarily on Jupiter, as well as a few globs and a couple smaller galaxies. At 200x I was quite pleased and surprised at how well it performed to the point it is the only EP I'll use on Jupiter in my C11 anymore! My X-Cels and Olivon HDs are no slouches for their price range, and have also given me nice planet views in my C11 but I love how sharp I can get the focus with the Meade, it just seems to have a bit more "snap" to it than even my 15mm, which you would think would have a slight edge in sharpness since it would be at slightly lower power (187x instead of 200x). Currently the Meade is my favorite EP, but we shall see after I get a first light on the big 30mm....
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    Default Re: ES 82 vs Meade UWA vs Nagler

    Great that it works well for you! Then it is closer in performance to ES 82 than to Luminos. I got similar experience with ES 82 compared to X-Cel on Jupiter. ES 82 seems to deliver extra punch in terms of contrast, fine-details and colors.
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    Default Re: ES 82 vs Meade UWA vs Nagler

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigzmey View Post
    Great that it works well for you! Then it is closer in performance to ES 82 than to Luminos. I got similar experience with ES 82 compared to X-Cel on Jupiter. ES 82 seems to deliver extra punch in terms of contrast, fine-details and colors.
    I've seen a few reviews on the Meades that suggest the 14mm is the best in that particular line, not sure how true that is but it has been a very good EP for me. I'll be more interested to see how well it fits in my lineup when I'm done upgrading my collection, I intend to get a second 2" EP to compliment my ES 30mm and I'll likely pick up a couple more 1.25" EPs in the 10-18mm range to plug in the rest of the gaps. I'll eventually add another around 6mm for high power in my smaller scope as well.
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    Default Re: ES 82 vs Meade UWA vs Nagler

    Not sure if you have one but I would suggest getting Celestron 0.63 reducer. Kinda like with barlow it will double your EP collection but in opposite direction. It converts SCT into a great DSO machine

    With C8 I was missing wide views of my 120ST, so my 1st 2" EP was 42mm GSO Superview. With 0.63 reducer it gives 30x mag (which is the lowest productive mag for C8) and whooping 2 degrees FOV.
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    Default Re: ES 82 vs Meade UWA vs Nagler

    I just picked up the Meade 5.5mm UWA because it was on sale ($103). I have only used it twice, but it gave a great view of Jupiter in my 8inch dob the other night and it was nice having the 82* afov. Tracking at high magnifications is a pain and the greater the fov, the better.

    I tried it last night in the refractor, but the sky conditions were not a high magnification night.

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    Default Re: ES 82 vs Meade UWA vs Nagler

    A 0.63 focal reducer is OK and I own one. But who wants to be messing around in the dark putting it on and off.
    A Meade 4000 56mm 2" Super Plossl can be had for $60-$65 new. It's not a bad low power eyepiece, plus it's cheap.

    TV's are the same or slightly better than the ES eyepieces. But most of the ES are lower in price of the TV's. So I have mostly gone down the ES path and am happy with my decision. A good friend of mine has ETHOS, Naglers and Pan's, so I have been able to make direct comparisons on my own, in my own scopes. I happen to have a Meade 5000 UWA 8.8mm and a ES 8.8mm 82 degree. They have different colored coatings on the lens. For the most part the eyepiece views are very, very similar. I liked the colors in the ES as I felt they where slightly richer and a little softer in the Meade. Both of these have a slight internal reflection that you will see on rare occasion. Overall the views through both are nice. However, I do not like the eye cup on the Meade.
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    Default Re: ES 82 vs Meade UWA vs Nagler

    I don't know if it will be helpful, but below is a link to my comparison between the ES 82° 24mm and the Nagler 22mm T4 for late 2011. I bought the Nagler used to compare with my then new ES 24mm as I too wanted to know how they would compare. Long story short, for myself I couldn't tell any significant difference with my eyes in my equipment and I wound up selling the Nagler for what I paid for it as I couldn't justify keeping it in my case. Of course one has to take this for what it is, a personal view and someone else may come to a different conclusion.

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