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    Default picked up a 15mm Celestron Luminos



    Was on vacation in the GTA (Greater Toronto Area) during the week visiting relatives and decided to pop in at an astronomy shop down there (Durham Skies). Been wanting to try a wider field eyepiece and as my budget for EP's is tight, was wanting to check out the Celestron Luminos 82 degree line. Well, I went, I saw, I bought. Here it is along with the rest of my minimal collection:

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    My first impression was "Wow! It's heavy!" Of course, my only experience has been with plossls, the MA's and Huygen's that came with my two scopes and the X-Cel's but it's surprisingly heavy for it's size. As you can see it doesn't overpower the X-Cel LX's too much in size, at least at this and smaller focal lengths. They had a 23mm Luminos...holy hand grenade Batman! It's huge! Same size actually as a Meade 5000 UWA eyepiece they had beside it (looked remarkably similar in fact). But anyway, I wanted something in the 14-16mm range so the 15mm Luminos was what I wanted right now. Second impression was that it's actually a good looking eyepiece. The X-Cel LX's aren't pretty, kind of plain and utilitarian. But with the chrome finish and the rubber grip around the middle the Luminos is a nice looking eyepiece. Aesthetics mean little of course and the LX's perform where it counts but I am hoping form and function go together here.

    The top cap comes off easily, which is a big deal coming from X-Cel LX's where you have to pry the top cap off. It stays on when you turn it upside down but it just pops off with little pressure. Eyepiece coatings are a greenish colour. This is a 1.25" eyepiece and is 82 degrees. The 19mm and 23mm ones in this range are 2" eyepieces.

    The Luminos has a retractable eyecup. You rotate the rubber grip in the middle clockwise and the eyecup comes up. It's quite a deep eyecup too.

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    When you pop off the bottom lens cover it's hard to see the field lens. It's there though but at first glance you may not think it's there. Moving the EP around makes it evident.

    With both caps off and pointing towards a light source I really have to move my eye around to see the field stop. This is my first experience with an 82 degree eyepiece. The field stop doesn't seem as sharp as it does on my X-Cel LX's. It's rather like the edge on my older X-Cel 55 degree, a bit fuzzy. But it's a big field of view so we'll see what that all means when I am viewing.

    According to Celestron, the 15mm Luminos has 17mm of eye relief, and a field stop diameter of 26mm. It's a 7 element eyepiece as well. It seems the range does not have consistent eye relief like the X-Cel LX line. The 15mm has 17mm of eye relief, while the 10mm and 7mm have 12mm of eye relief and the 19mm and 23mm have 20mm of eye relief.

    It comes in an an attractive box and is well packed in foam. The eyepiece is in a plastic bag that also contains a desiccant pack and a cleaning cloth. The box labels the Luminos as a premium eyepiece. While many of us know that the true premium eyepieces out there are the ones from companies like Televue and Pentax, the Luminos is likely Celestron's premium line so it's fair for them to label it as such.

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    I can't speak as to the performance of this eyepiece at the moment simply because the curse is upon me and it's been cloudy and raining ever since I came home yesterday (bought the EP on Friday). It was nice and sunny when I couldn't use the Luminos but now that I am home...sigh!

    There seems to be a dearth of reviews on the Luminos line. I know one person that has bought a couple of these and really likes them. Trying to find anything will net you very little. There was more on the previous Axiom LX line. Anyway, will let you know my impressions after I get a chance to use it. At any rate, it fills a hole I wanted to fill, it's not too expensive (I paid $109.99 CAD plus taxes) and I will be able to see if I even like an 82 degree FOV for a fairly minimal cash outlay.

    Will update you when I can get a chance to use it.
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    Default Re: picked up a 15mm Celestron Luminos

    Well, I got my chance tonight after all. It cleared off today and stayed nice all day and into the evening.
    Please note, these are simply my observations and impressions. This is in no way a critical review of the 15mm Luminos as I am no expert.

    First got a look at Saturn in the 15mm Luminos. The eyepiece nets an 80x magnification and I got what I expected to see. Was able to pick out Cassini and the middle band as usual even at 80x. Was even able to pick out Titan, Tethys, Rhea and Dione fairly easily. 100x with the 12mm X-Cel LX didn't show me anything different. I let it drift to the edge in the 15mm Luminos. It started to not be as crisp around 70% out I'd say and by the edge was not very good but it still looked round and not distorted really, just blurred. There seems to be a darker band all around right near the edge of the field which was evident with Saturn and due to the lighter sky at the time. I then took a look at Mizar. This focused really easily and was of course easily split at 80x. The stars looked nice and crisp. Letting them drift gave me the beginnings of distortions at around 70% and they got worse as they went. I am no expert so I am not 100% sure of what the distortions were of course but they looked a lot like coma which is likely the scope and not the eyepiece.

    I then tried M57. Easy to find in the 82 degree field and center. I was able to easily see the ring and the center hole at 80x. In fact the view was much clearer and better at 80x than at 100x in the 12mm X-Cel LX. Of course that could be due to other factors but I much preferred the view in the Luminos. I was also able to easily see that a nearby star was reddish in colour which I didn't notice before. The same star in both of my X-Cel LX's did not show this easily as reddish in colour but I could easily pick that out in the Luminos. Thinking about colour, I next went to Albireo in Cygnus. Again, the star colours stood out as reddish and bluish white while in both the 12mm and 9mm X-Cel LX's it was harder to pick out, evident but harder to pick out. And comparing the older 25mm X-Cel there was no contest in the colour department as both the Luminos and X-Cel LX's showed the colours better than it did.

    Went and looked for M56 since I was in the vicinity. Wasn't the best night for viewing this of course. Picked it out easily in the 15mm Luminos and averted vision showed it was a globular with some graininess. 100x showed a bit more graininess but that's it.

    I knew this beforehand due to Stellarium, but the FOV in the 15mm Luminos at 82 degrees is the same (a bit bigger actually) as the FOV of the 25mm X-Cel (55 degree) but with more magnification of course. Showed that in fact this is the case in my observations, they are similar in FOV. What it also proved to me that I am retiring the older X-Cel 25mm. It just can't stand up to the LX's or the Luminos and the 15mm Luminos easily replaces it.

    I then scanned around Cygnus a bit just enjoying the view in a wider field eyepiece. I noticed that the edge distortion was much harder to notice with dimmer stars and I was able to get to around 80% or so before noticing anything much in the distortion department. Brighter stars made this noticable earlier. Interesting thing to take note. Of course this is my first experience with anything wider than 60 degrees so it's all new territory for me.

    Finished up on the Moon as it was rising. Not bad at all. While the FOV fits the Moon, you have to move your eye around to see it all in the 82 degree field (normal I gather). I am not used to that. It was easy to deal with with stars but with the Moon, I am not so sure about it. Nevertheless, the view was spectacular! Details just popped out. Tried 100x with the X-Cel LX and it just showed me pretty much the same details but bigger. Overall, I was impressed with the Luminos on the Moon.

    So overall, I like the 15mm Luminos. The twist up eyecup works fine but I like the way the X-Cel LX eyecup works better. It's just as comfortable to use as the LX's though. I found the Luminos slightly easier to focus and I also found it barlowed much better as it was easier to focus than the LX's barlowed. The Luminos presented colour much better than the X-Cel LX's as well. And no blackouts no matter what position the eyecup was in. I am satisfied with my first foray into the 82 degree world. Overall I'd rate the 15mm Luminos as a better overall eyepiece than the X-Cel LX's and it blows my older 25mm X-Cel (same as the older Orion Epic ED series in case anyone is interesting in knowing) out of the water, in my telescope and to my eye anyway. Not a huge magnitude better, but noticeably better. And for my cash outlay that's good enough for me.
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    Default Re: picked up a 15mm Celestron Luminos

    Very nice reports. I always like reviews of equipment that's "middle of the road" (in terms of price). This equipment is often overlooked by reviewers, and I say the more choices in middling and economy prices, the better. It's good for everyone.
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    Default Re: picked up a 15mm Celestron Luminos

    Nice report(s).

    I saw one of those hanging on a Dob at a star party recently, but the guy was too busy to interrupt for a quick peek.

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    Default Re: picked up a 15mm Celestron Luminos

    Middle of the road prices are all I can afford right now so I am trying my best to increase my EP collection without breaking the bank. And my wife is supportive of me expanding my collection...she says this hobby keeps me where she can find me so I stay out of trouble Wanted to try a wider field to see if I like it or not. And I do. But my 60 degree EP's are perfectly fine too and I don't find the "soda straw" effect happens going between the two surprisingly. I certainly did going from Plossls to the X-Cel LX's. They are even not too far out when switching so refocusing isn't too bad. Right now they compliment each other and I think I'll keep expanding the low mag range in widefield because it helps find stuff and makes sense for DSO viewing. I can see now though why some users don't like 82 degree or wider EP's due to having to move around to see the whole field. Doesn't bother me but I now understand. Experience is the best teacher

    There really are not many reviews of lower cost or middle of the road type eyepieces and almost nothing of the Luminos range. And of course reviews are really more one person's impressions and you need a range of different reviews on the same eyepiece to form a real idea of what it's like prior to purchase. Thankfully they aren't so expensive that you can't take a risk. I've looked through expensive glass before but have no idea of the real differences between something like the Luminos and say a Nagler but I didn't find myself wanting more with this EP and it has the same type of issues inherent in widefields regardless of the brand.

    I can recommend this specific eyepiece for someone to try as my example at least is very good. Can't say more about the rest of the range though until I purchase more of them.
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    Default Re: picked up a 15mm Celestron Luminos

    I have a 10mm Luminos. $110 CAD for an 82 degree EP is a great deal. My thoughts are as follows:

    Pros: - great colour rendition as noted above
    - pretty forgiving with eye placement and good eye relief compared to other 82s.
    - If you like twist up eye cups this one is good, good build quality.
    - fairly sharp, certainly for the price and design
    Cons: - Not as sharp as a Tele Vue. Obvious, but I must make that clear.
    - light scatter on bright objects and EOFB is very noticeable.
    - a bit of field curvature, but not bad compared to other budget 82 EPs.

    For the money it's a great entry to the 82 degree experience. I personally will be replacing it with a Delos. I think EPs in the 70 degree range are a sweet spot and the light scatter/EOFB gets to me.
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    Default Re: picked up a 15mm Celestron Luminos

    The thing about naglers is that stars are pretty tac sharp all the way to the edge. They are great eyepieces obviously, but they also fall victim to the name they carry as well. Now we had a guy with our group last night at bahia honda state park here in the keys. He had TV Delos 10 and 17mm. Another had a baader planetarium set. The TV was a little better, to me, but not by much at all in my perspective. Not to brag though I have great vision, TV pretty much accommodates all qualities of vision and still maintains tac sharp full field of views. But I'd rather spend 150 or so and sacrifice a tiny bit of quality, rather than 300-600 to get that tiny star sitting on the rim of my eyepiece. This was a great review and I'm actually interested in this eyepiece set as well
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    Default Re: picked up a 15mm Celestron Luminos

    Quote Originally Posted by cam1936 View Post
    I have a 10mm Luminos. $110 CAD for an 82 degree EP is a great deal. My thoughts are as follows:

    Pros: - great colour rendition as noted above
    - pretty forgiving with eye placement and good eye relief compared to other 82s.
    - If you like twist up eye cups this one is good, good build quality.
    - fairly sharp, certainly for the price and design
    Cons: - Not as sharp as a Tele Vue. Obvious, but I must make that clear.
    - light scatter on bright objects and EOFB is very noticeable.
    - a bit of field curvature, but not bad compared to other budget 82 EPs.

    For the money it's a great entry to the 82 degree experience. I personally will be replacing it with a Delos. I think EPs in the 70 degree range are a sweet spot and the light scatter/EOFB gets to me.
    The 15mm had no EOFB that I could detect. There is a faint dark blue ring at the field stop (what they call the "Ring of Fire" I believe) which is practically unnoticeable during regular viewing unless a brighter star or a planet (or the Moon) is at the field stop. I could not detect field curvature. Maybe it's there, maybe not, I don't know. I can't detect it anyway (I tried multiple times too see). It's good for the planets but that's not why I bought it. I do not like it for the Moon. No particular issues per-se, I just do not like the way the Moon presents itself. I think it's more the 82 degree FOV than anything else. I far prefer the way the X-Cel's or even my Plossl present the Moon. The sharpness that you and I pointed out earlier is a great feature, especially for the price.

    Overall I stand by this particular eyepiece. It's turned into my best eyepiece. Thanks for pointing out your views and findings on the 10mm Luminos. Sounds like it's a very similar experience.
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    Default Re: picked up a 15mm Celestron Luminos

    I didn't notice any ring of fire on my 10mm, just a brightening in that last 20% of the field. Distracting, but a sharp, 82 degree EP for $110, what else can a guy ask for?
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    Default Re: picked up a 15mm Celestron Luminos

    Quote Originally Posted by kharding View Post
    The thing about naglers is that stars are pretty tac sharp all the way to the edge. They are great eyepieces obviously, but they also fall victim to the name they carry as well. Now we had a guy with our group last night at bahia honda state park here in the keys. He had TV Delos 10 and 17mm. Another had a baader planetarium set. The TV was a little better, to me, but not by much at all in my perspective. Not to brag though I have great vision, TV pretty much accommodates all qualities of vision and still maintains tac sharp full field of views. But I'd rather spend 150 or so and sacrifice a tiny bit of quality, rather than 300-600 to get that tiny star sitting on the rim of my eyepiece. This was a great review and I'm actually interested in this eyepiece set as well
    While I own and use mostly Televue Panoptics for lower powers and Pentax XW for higher powers I won a Orion Stratus (basically same as the Hyperions) as a door prise 4-5 years ago and to be honest I agree 100 percent with your post.... The performance on axis and out to about 80 percent of the FOV is not at all noticeable between the $100. Stratus and the $300 Televues or Pentaxes ....

    I honestly do no see the need to spend 3 times as much to get a high end eyepiece and gain so little ... While it is nice to "get it all" My timex watch does everything a Rolex does and Mickey Mouse on the face of the watch always puts a smile on my face lol

    One thing about the High end eyepieces however is that they work well in all scopes not just slower scopes and they retain their resale value quite well so owning one is somewhat of an investment grade eyepiece as it will hold its value very well and is an easy sell if you decide to sell it..

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