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    Default Baader zoom...Just Terrible!!! :(



    Well after reading all the hype on the net regarding this zoom lens, I scraped together the cash and ordered one of these.
    Never mind that I ordered in April only to finally get my hands on one Oct 1st.

    My first impression was that it felt lightweight compared to my other 2" eps and not put together too shabbily but not quite what I had in mind.
    It kind of feels like its made of plastic.

    But the real downer was when I popped it into my ED80 and had a look.

    This thing has the most internal reflections I have ever seen!
    Wow it is so bad it is almost unbelievable!
    So much so that I find it basically unusable at the longer settings.
    It isn't until it gets to around the 14mm area before the reflections become tolerable.

    I mean just looking at the lens from a little distance away, I can see the image, but I can also see a ring of reflected light all the way around the image.
    This is light bouncing off the inside of the barrel!
    Also as you get any longer than about 20mm the sharp field stop is lost and the image appears to get vignetted and very fuzzy at the edge.
    And turning the barrel past 20 also starts to produce no less than 4 clearly visible rings of reflection at the edge.

    It is also super finicky as to where you place your eye verticly and side to side.
    There is only a tiny spot where the image is acceptable.
    Even just a little movement will cause the image to get foggy from all the reflections.
    A little more and the lens doesn't kidney bean but it the image turns into a small dot in an orb of grey.
    Very annoying!

    Tried it at night and found that reflections from objects up to 10 degrees outside the fiield of view were wreaking havoc with the image so back in the box this goes.

    The only saving grace about this ep for me was that it lacks the type of pincushion found on my Meade SWA's and that it was sharp from edge to edge except at focal lengths over 20mm.

    But it is very hard to hold a good image in this ep as the sweet spot is tiny.
    I bet there is only a mm of tolerance in any direction before the image seriously begins to degrade.

    As well when I put my 2' ed barlow on it, it just magnifies the problems and renders it totally useless.

    Bottom line is that I will be returning this POS for credit and I strongly advise anybody else who might be tempted to fall for all the BS and hype to save your money and look elsewhere.
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    perhaps you got a defected one????
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    Fears about buying a zoom lens.........confirmed.

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    Was going to place order on Agena and put it off for later sometime. May be was a wise decision.
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    Thats a bummer. I have been thinking about getting one of the baader zoom lenses.

    I'm hoping it is just a defect. Could it be from the scope maybe? I want to get one for the 12" LightBridge that I want (if I can ever afford it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by redjmp View Post
    ..This thing has the most internal reflections I have ever seen!
    Wow it is so bad it is almost unbelievable!..
    In all probability and likelihood, you have a defective unit and should have it returned/replaced since it is under warranty. These are, after all, not actually made in Germany, but in China (thus pricing is competitive), so one should be vigilant about quality control/quality assurance issues. To quote Jrbarnett, who is one of the highly regarded members in the eyepiece community said:

    ..I was prepared to be let down by the Hyperion Zoom, and despite my extreme bias against complex eyepieces and zooms, it delivered in spades. Buying and returning until you get a "good one" would be worthwhile if Saturday's performance is an indication. ..

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    You got a BAD ONE-- return it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ibase View Post
    These are, after all, not actually made in Germany, but in China (thus pricing is competitive), so one should be vigilant about quality control/quality assurance issues. To quote Jrbarnett, who is one of the highly regarded members in the eyepiece community said:
    Well for the premium amount of money that I paid, I was expecting a German eyepiece, not one from China.

    And I shouldn't be the one doing quality control should I?

    Is that not Baader's job?

    This is the whole point of my post, BEWARE!

    I have been suckered and just want to warn others.

    As happened to telescopes made during the '80s trying to keep up with demand because of Halley's comet, quality control has taken a nosedive on these Badder Zooms in large part to the hype on this forum.

    I wonder just how many peeps ordered one based on comments posted by just a handful of individules here.

    Sure, the first few that got one before all the madness, got an unrushed quality product.

    But what about the rest of us who are now only starting to receive ours?

    That had to wait months upons months and prepay to get?

    You don't think Badder felt the heat to cut corners and ramp up production to meet this insane demand?

    And it wasn't like the whole community was raving about these as nobody could get any.

    Only a select few whom I might add seem to take this whole affair way more seriously than just a hobby, but rather more like a way of life or even career, had any to rave about.

    But the reviews were just so over the top by these highly respected posters, that the rest of us took these peeps' opinions to heart and placed orders and even prepaid and waited out delay after delay because these were such a fantastic deal. Yet nobody could get one...

    Well you know what they say, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is...

    You have been warned.
    You are rolling the dice as to whether you get a lemon or not.
    Even with a warranty, WHAT A HASSLE!
    I'm going to be out for return shipping and customs and duties and then I'm still rolling the dice?

    My money would have been put to better use buying 2 or 3 decent quality ep's and enjoying them for the last 6 months rather than investing a dime in just a song and dance show about why yet again another delay till next month.
    And then winding up with a lemon.

    And Hernando, no offence, but if you don't work for Baader, they should still pay you as you by far are their best salesman.
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    Redjmp,

    I am truly sorry that you are disappointed in your zoom lens. You are more than welcome to post your experiences. However, please do not make your postings personal. your comment about Hernando is not appropriate.

    The internet is a great source for information and for misinformation. One has to go to several places, apply common sense, and decide what is "hype" and what is real. In forums, pay attention to the postings that run counter to the trend of a thread ... there is often a lot of wisdom there. One has to watch out for the messengers ..... the good meaning folks that are sold on a product or an idea and are out to convert the world .... in the astronomy world the owners of Dobson telescopes and refractors often fall into this category.

    I too considered purchasing a zoom lens but after doing searches on the internet, reading comments on different forums, and reading reviews of different ones, I concluded that for me simply buying a couple of eyepieces to fill my gaps was a far better way to go. I don't need to use a zoom just to determine what size eyepiece is optimal for a given situation and everything that I read indicated that the view in a zoom was not as good as that in an eyepiece. That same information is available to anyone who looks for it. BTW, my search indicated that the performance of the low cost Celestron was almost the same as the far more expensive zooms and in fact one reviewer purchased the Celestron after doing the review as he could not see the cost benefit of the more expensive eyepieces.
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    No offence taken (and thanks Joe), and I can assure you that I do not work for Baader nor connected with any vendor whatsoever. As Joe has aptly put it, some make it their mission to promote a product that they strongly believe in whether it is the Dob or Refractor scopes or in this case an EP - only because it has given me countless worderful views and that I believe it to be the best value for anything that I have ever paid for in this hobby, that it has become second nature to me to recommend it to others that they might benefit also from the good experience that I had and continue to have with my Hyperion zoom (old version); and this is a free forum, nobody is forcing anything on anyone here, as Joe said, it is up to the viewer to filter out the vast info available on the net as best as one can. Which brings us to the question of whether as you say, there are "only a select few" who had raved about the zoom - if this were true, then the Hyperion zoom would not have made it as one of the very few top products in Cloudy Night's Reader's Choice - Gear of the Year 2009, look here:

    Reader's Choice: Gear of the Year 2009 - CN Report

    Being included in such a prestigious list will require a vast no. of members voting for it and giving it the thumbs up, with the author of the article above declaring "..many of our members saying its (Hyperion zoom) their all around favorite eyepiece." So it's not only a select few saying good things about the zoom, there's a whole lot of people out there not actually saying it on the forums but have silently voted for it as their "Gear of the Year."

    I am so sorry if I played a role or was instrumental in your having ordered the zoom and have been disappointed in it, and I really hope that if you decide to have it replaced instead of getting a refund, that you will get a good and not a defective unit. Wishing you the best of everything in your astro endeavors. Thanks.

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