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    Quote Originally Posted by mythos917 View Post
    Hmmm I think it's much more complicated than that. SpaceX might already have rockets (Falcon Heavy) that are capable of going to the Moon as such but there's no current crew capsule/command module/lander capable of landing there - not to mention leaving it again. Dragon 2, the SpaceX's only human-rated capsule, does not have enough delta-v to land on the lunar surface as it stands. Meanwhile, Orion and SLS appear to be years behind the schedule. Launching Orion on a SpaceX rocket might be possible but there would be a lot of modifications needed to make it happen. NASA apparently intends to start a competition for private companies to build a suitable "human moon lander". This will definitely take time and I for one would be surprised if they make it happen in just 5 years.
    That SLS system is still advertised on the NASA pages but that may soon be history because of the delays. This article thinks so too and mentions a goal for a landing next year (well by you know who): https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...spacex/584788/

    I'm just reading this now, Pence threatens to switch contractors: https://www.latimes.com/business/la-...326-story.html . The original plans also call for a space station around the moon I think but is that really necessary if we just want to get there.

    I'm just reading that the commercial SpaceX moon rendez vous is now planned for 2023, I thought I read somewhere that it was originally planned much earlier. But with enough pressure and incentive... to me a 5 year plan sounds disappointing, for what could be done in 2 back then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AntennaGuy View Post
    Jeff, with all due and considerable respect for the points and alternatives you raise, this isn't just a science thing. Not to me, anyway. May I also suggest that it is not "they" who are going back to the moon. It is "we" who are going back. You and I, both as proud Americans and as humans, advancing humanity outward into space. And ultimately, advancing toward the exploration and human colonization of any/all habitable parts of our solar system. It is our destiny.
    I agree. We as humans have an urge to explore. It's ALWAYS been dangerous. Thank God we have always been willing to take the risk. Several hundred years ago people here in America grabbed a musket, a bag of black powder, and a sack of lead balls and headed West to explore a vast open land to the West. God bless them! I sincerely hope that spirit is still alive! Bill
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    Quote Originally Posted by burris View Post
    I agree. We as humans have an urge to explore. It's ALWAYS been dangerous. Thank God we have always been willing to take the risk. Several hundred years ago people here in America grabbed a musket, a bag of black powder, and a sack of lead balls and headed West to explore a vast open land to the West. God bless them! I sincerely hope that spirit is still alive! Bill
    But that was a later stage. We are still at the point of looking for investors to fund the Mayflower and a bunch of potential pilgrims for a (not yet validated) project to find/extract/make some useable resource on the moon.

    Philosophically, I agree this is a positive direction for human exploration. That still leaves a serious and very real risk that we spend billions on projects to establish a politically motivated "lunar base" that does nothing beyond showing the flag.

    Extracting useful resources from asteroids is already starting to look like a more feasible approach with private money behind it. Unfortunately, it may be too complex for the political class to understand and certainly too complex to make a compelling argument to the general public for $billions$ in expenditures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CamelHat View Post
    That SLS system is still advertised on the NASA pages but that may soon be history because of the delays. This article thinks so too and mentions a goal for a landing next year (well by you know who): https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...spacex/584788/

    I'm just reading this now, Pence threatens to switch contractors: https://www.latimes.com/business/la-...326-story.html .

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    I'd say there's no way at all for NASA to give up on the SLS. There are *far* too many jobs being provided that the state Representatives and Senators will not allow that pork barrel to disappear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GCoyote View Post
    But that was a later stage. We are still at the point of looking for investors to fund the Mayflower and a bunch of potential pilgrims for a (not yet validated) project to find/extract/make some useable resource on the moon.

    Philosophically, I agree this is a positive direction for human exploration. That still leaves a serious and very real risk that we spend billions on projects to establish a politically motivated "lunar base" that does nothing beyond showing the flag.

    Extracting useful resources from asteroids is already starting to look like a more feasible approach with private money behind it. Unfortunately, it may be too complex for the political class to understand and certainly too complex to make a compelling argument to the general public for $billions$ in expenditures.
    With all due respect, we spend way too much time trying to find "Political" reasons for human motivations. Humans love to go "walk about", thats just the way it is. Do politicians take advantage of this? Of course! Because they are opportunists. But, the people who do the actual exploring are the ones remembered! God bless those who are willing to take the risk! Just my opinion. Bill
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    Where is the point of going to a planet with no atmosphere to breath ? Sure I love the idea of our race ...well the richer ones , exploring space . But we can't solve the problems on this planet ! We can't fix our own atmosphere let alone create one on another planet so if we are destined to live in cabins or under the ground on another nearby planet why aren't we pursuing that here... we have 70% of our livable space already underwater waiting for this technology... Shouldn't we be spending more of our time trying to create a propulsion system that can get us to a planet we can openly live on instead of spending enormous sums of money to just dither around in our own solar system? .. and while we await this magical warp drive or whatever we can at least be trying to fix our problems here . But No we will still be squabbling and killing each other as we gasp out our last breath here as we watch the elite few head off to their bunkers on the moon and Mars .... Trust me I've seen the movies .... I know I know ,I'm rambling on again .damn clouds ,nothing else to do... but yea its hard to believe we haven't done something on that moon in all this time . 50 yrs hmmmm
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    Just as long as the UK government is NOT involved. They would still be arguing about it in 2119

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8844461.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozypic View Post
    Where is the point of going to a planet with no atmosphere to breath ? Sure I love the idea of our race ...well the richer ones , exploring space . But we can't solve the problems on this planet ! We can't fix our own atmosphere let alone create one on another planet so if we are destined to live in cabins or under the ground on another nearby planet why aren't we pursuing that here... we have 70% of our livable space already underwater waiting for this technology... Shouldn't we be spending more of our time trying to create a propulsion system that can get us to a planet we can openly live on instead of spending enormous sums of money to just dither around in our own solar system? .. and while we await this magical warp drive or whatever we can at least be trying to fix our problems here . But No we will still be squabbling and killing each other as we gasp out our last breath here as we watch the elite few head off to their bunkers on the moon and Mars .... Trust me I've seen the movies .... I know I know ,I'm rambling on again .damn clouds ,nothing else to do... but yea its hard to believe we haven't done something on that moon in all this time . 50 yrs hmmmm
    Ozy you make an excellent point. But remember that those rich guys pave the way for you and me. Us common folk, the meek, will go forth later when the rich folk die off! Lol! Bill
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    Quote Originally Posted by hal2000 View Post
    Just as long as the UK government is NOT involved. They would still be arguing about it in 2119

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8844461.html
    Why not? I think the British MPs would be an excellent choice for being the first crew to colonize to Mars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CamelHat View Post
    Why not? I think the British MPs would be an excellent choice for being the first crew to colonize to Mars.
    LOL! I got that one right away! Lol! Bill
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