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    Default Re: Venus rover possible? Terraforming 2 planets at once?



    It would be a whole lot cheaper and a much better idea to just repair the damage we have done to earth than to write it off and try to make another planet livable. Even so it will be cheaper to create domes on the Moon or Mars and live under them than to try to terraform Venus.
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    Default Re: Venus rover possible? Terraforming 2 planets at once?

    Quote Originally Posted by Modlerbob View Post
    It would be a whole lot cheaper and a much better idea to just repair the damage we have done to earth than to write it off and try to make another planet livable. Even so it will be cheaper to create domes on the Moon or Mars and live under them than to try to terraform Venus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Modlerbob View Post
    It would be a whole lot cheaper and a much better idea to just repair the damage we have done to earth than to write it off and try to make another planet livable. Even so it will be cheaper to create domes on the Moon or Mars and live under them than to try to terraform Venus.
    I understand the cheaper concept, but I am more interested in how it would be done. It may never be done for the simple fact of money, but its still fun to ponder how we would go about it. If everything was based on cheaper, we wouldnt have the technology we do today.

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    Default Re: Venus rover possible? Terraforming 2 planets at once?

    I would think that you would have to simultaneously deflect/absorb solar radiation and start a carbon cycle to sequester the carbon in the CO2 that makes up most of the atmosphere. I imagine using orbiting space stations that would use huge solar arrays and would tap into the upper atmosphere and use the CO2 to grow algae and or food plants and reduce the CO2 in the atmosphere.

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    Default Re: Venus rover possible? Terraforming 2 planets at once?

    Quote Originally Posted by JAGoodin View Post
    I have always been interested in Venus just as much as Mars, but never see too many topics about Venus. Do you think it would be beneficial or fesible to send a rover to Venus? I know the average temperature is 872 F, but I feel with the technology today we could defintely build something.

    Another thing I think we could discuss is terraforming, I know this may be consider pseudo science but i feel is very interesting. I think it would be possible to take carbon dioxide from Venus atmosphere and transfer it to Mars, and terraforming two planets at once. Also crashing comets into Venus could re introduce water to the planet.

    I read somewhere that some scientist think Venus was once a lush jungle and the greenhouse gas got way out of control and turned it into what it is today, do you think this is possible?

    This may have been discussed before so I apologize, also if my ideas are way out there let me know, I am no scientist.

    Let me here your ideas,

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    As I write this the leading concept for humans at Venus involves very large, floating stations filled with air derived from Venus' atmosphere. Nitrogen and Oxygen are more abundant there than in Titan's, Mars' and Earth's atmospheres combined. It could work, but there are some disturbing realities about Venus' atmosphere that need to be understood before trying this. A simple space station in a circular orbit would do just as well.

    The problem for a surface rover has more to do with the high pressure of the atmosphere at the surface. It is virtually impossible to get rid of waste heat from electrical systems. equipment.

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    Default Re: Venus rover possible? Terraforming 2 planets at once?

    I'm not sure the pressure is the obstacle. Pressure is easily equalized by venting any cavities in the rover. What kills Venus probes is the combination of high temperature and sulphuric acid rain. It is really hard to design something that will withstand those.

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    Default Re: Venus rover possible? Terraforming 2 planets at once?

    Quote Originally Posted by KeithBC View Post
    I'm not sure the pressure is the obstacle. Pressure is easily equalized by venting any cavities in the rover. What kills Venus probes is the combination of high temperature and sulphuric acid rain. It is really hard to design something that will withstand those.
    Fortunately there is a happy solution to this! Just tether the surface probe to a balloon and include an internal heat sink that can give, say, two hours of work time. Then, when it gets too hot, the balloon just hauls it up into cooler levels of the atmosphere where it can cycle it's internal heat sink for another drop. If we want to be really clever about it, we can operate two such rovers from one balloon and operate them in alternate.

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    Default Re: Venus rover possible? Terraforming 2 planets at once?

    I have read that there are proposals to send a probe to Venus that would stay in the upper atmosphere to make further analysis of it's components.
    Here is a link.
    EVE - European Venus Explorer
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    Default Re: Venus rover possible? Terraforming 2 planets at once?

    I think Venus is way out of reach to terraform. We will probably have Mars terraformed, colonies on Titan and ships to other stars before we even touch Venus. It is not currently possible or practical to try to terraform Venus, unless we could teleport it to the depths of space to cool down for a few thousand years. During this century you will see the world powers build colonies on the moon and mars, we will start to mine asteroids and build ships in space. Mars will be our second world, and we will I believe eventually terraform it. You can start by making Mars the industry capital of the Solar system. Have thousands of factories refining ores and transporting them to space with space elevators. The green house effect will grow slowly over time, warming the planet. Water should be abundant under the martian soil, but deflecting comets to crash into mars, can also add water to mars and thicken the atmosphere. I was hoping this comet that is going to graze Mars in October would actually hit it. That would give us a head start in terraforming Mars. None of this will happen in our life time. We will however see people living on the moon and Mars in our life time.

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    Default Re: Venus rover possible? Terraforming 2 planets at once?

    Quote Originally Posted by Modlerbob View Post
    It would be a whole lot cheaper and a much better idea to just repair the damage we have done to earth than to write it off and try to make another planet livable. Even so it will be cheaper to create domes on the Moon or Mars and live under them than to try to terraform Venus.
    We need to have an out, incase something bad happens. What if a world destroying asteroid just got nudge out of the asteroid belt, and is on its way to Earth. By by humans. If we have a world on Mars, those humans can come back to Earth after it settles down and start anew.

    Also I think it would be easier to terraform Mars then to solve our problems on Earth, actually.

 

 
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