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    Hi folks hope some of you are as open minded as me was watching ancient aliens on history channel and have got to say what an episode tonight in the uk it was amazing and a bit woring if you belive in it more so that were now now in 2012 did anybody see it tonight not sure if i put this in the correct forum
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    I think its pretty much the right place, but there are alot of ego's that think IntelLife is super rare(if at all there)


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    Do I believe that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the Milky Way Galaxy? Well yes.

    Do I have any proof---- well no.

    On the other hand 2012 doomsday is just a 100% junk science hoax.

    here is why:
    The 2012 Hoax

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    one day we might be able to go more then 10 years without "everyone" thinking that the world is going to end. 2012 is a total scam. The last world ending did not happen either. After the world doesn't end in 2012, how long do you think it will take the "Moon Bats" to figure out how the world is "really" gonna end? 4.5ish billion years and still turning I feel very sorry for all the people that somehow find "comfort" in believing that life on Earth is going to end. Maybe after is doesn't, some of them can start dealing with there lives and finding the true beauty that is "literary" everywhere we look.

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    I am always concerned how dismissive some can be over the achievements of humans in the past. We really can be pretty smart monkeys when we put our mind to it
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    There has to be life up there , did we not come from up there on a Icey meteorite as a single cell organism and then evolved to what we are today?.
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    ome of them can start dealing with there lives and finding the true beauty that is "literary" everywhere we look.
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    exellent posts schlayer, mikeyfly, and jenniferchristine, i couldnt have put it better myself. in my opinion if we live in an infinate universe with infinate galxies with possibly upto 13 dimentions, it would be incredibly narrow minded to think we are the only rock with life on it. To accept that we are all there is life wise would need to accept that perhaps were not really here either i for one think there may be other life in our solar system just waiting to be discovered, perhaps under the ice on enceledas or europa and i wouldnt be suprised if there was some kind of life on mars, perhaps on the poplar caps, who knows. The trouble with space is its big, i mean really really big. you might think its a long way down to the shops and back but thats just peanuts to space the trouble we are going to have is travelling fast enough for long enough to get anywhere, even travelling at light speed it would take too long. i have recently got into the concept of quantum theory where the same particles can exist in two places at the same time i think it was part of chaos theory, perhaps we can bend these rules to allow humans to be in two places at the same time? i think there is lots we dont yet understand, perhaps some super advanced aliens out there can suss it out and come to find us first, lets just hope they come in peace. There was a good film called first contact, it was also a book i think it was by carl sagan not sure though, about aliens that found away to send us a message to build a machine so we could go and visit them, it was a good one i seem to remeber, clear skies boys and girls

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    Life in the universe.

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    We might be the only life in the Universe. Its not a question of arrogance, it either is, or is not. And the irony of it is that if there is no other life, we won't ever know! Why is that? Because we will never be able to travel across the entire known Universe and we might skip over extremely unusual planets with life because they do not necessarily meet the assumed parameters.

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    Human Level Intelligent (HLI) life is rare in the extreme. After all, its rare right here on Earth. Of all the life forms Earth has to offer. Humans are the only HLI forms, hence the name HLI. Cetacean or other animal life may be intelligent, but we have no way of knowing how advanced and so for the purpose of discussion, HLI means any being capable of...and demonstrating...tool building and advanced technological development.

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    HLI is common in the Universe. This would depend on what one means by common.

    I personally go with option 2 as the one making the most sense to me. I define that option as a sort of life pyramid thats wide base represents the most numerous types of life (Microbiological). The middle representing advancing life forms which become less common the more advanced they are. Insects, animals etc. The pyramid tip represents intelligence capable of intergalactic travel. By being at the pyramid apex, this sort of life is the rarest. All other life forms lie in between.

    Humanity would be defined as "A" non-spaceflight capable, "B" Spaceflight capable, "C" interplanetary, "D" interstellar and "E" intergalactic capable. We would be interplanetary if one accepts the definition of the moon as a planet.

    Based on these parameters. Interstellar or intergalactic HLI might be as few as 5 or 1 per galaxy respectively. It would go a long way towards explaining the Fermi paradox if such were the case.

    Heres the kicker. Suppose intergalactic HLI beings are found in 1 out of every 1,000,000 galaxies. Pretty rare until one considers how many galaxies exist in the known Universe. To say nothing of the Universe as yet discovered.

    In addition to that which I mentioned above, I am skeptical of alien visitations of Earth present day or past. I of course, cannot prove aliens have never visited. I simply go by the fact that we do not know if aliens even exist, much less whether they might be too far away. An interstellar travel capable alien species might be a few light years away...or maybe a few thousand. And just because they can travel interstellar distance does not mean they have explored every star system there is. Someone here mentioned how big space is, that would equally apply to other beings as well. Even ones capable of intergalactic travel probably couldn't visit star systems and planets in every galaxy in the universe.

    In option 1, I stated we will never know if the Universe has no life outside Earth with absolute confidence because space is so big...humanity would probably never exist long enough to see it all. And see how it was past, present and future as well. Its even concievable alien beings who might exist now who might also be a couple billion years in advance of us would not be able to know with certainty, everything there is to know about the Universe.

    Option 1 brings the most controversy because people seem to think arrogance has something to do with whether there is life outside Earth. Arrogance has nothing to do with it. As I mentioned, it is what ever it is regardless of what we think. After all, has it ever occured to anyone, especially the arrogant argument crowd, that unlikely as it probably is...Earth might be the very first life bearing planet in our Universe? If Earth is the very first life bearer, we will never know anyway.

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    By the way, Richardisgreat, Contact is one of my all time favorites but keep in mind. The movie left open the idea of alien contact. Recall that the hearing was held because the machine with Ellie Arroway dropped into the water from the outside viewers perspective while also leaving 18 hours of static on her camcorder. In effect, leaving no proof for Ellie to share with skeptics. That made her situation no different than religious folks who try to prove the existence of God. The religion vs science theme woven through the movie makes that even more apparent.

    Think of it, why would such an advanced species fax instructions for us to build something we clearly could not build with 1990s technology. They could have just as easily sent a ship and crew or an automated ship since they apparently knew how to use the wormholes the capsule they sent went through. And why would aliens want to recieve just a single representative of a race of six billion people to tell of their (The aliens) existence?

 

 
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