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    Our single biggest problem is lack of data. We can only guess we are trying to listen to the universe the right way. It is an enigma that is causing growing concerns in circles, why does it seem the universe is so quiet

    We are starting to realize that planetary formation is far more common than we thought, so this automatically means at a statistical level chances increase there should be someone out there
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    Absolutely true. Of particular interest to me is the Fermi paradox. This first came to be in 1950 according to Wiki. To think that such a question "Where are the aliens" could be asked by a distinguished scientist in an era when very little about the Universe was known. The paradox kind of suggests we have explored the Universe and found nothing intelligent besides us.

    I'm a skeptic myself when it comes to alien visitation etc. But from what I can understand of SETI, there is simply no way we can recieve signals from much of anywhere given the vast distances. Example being, aliens transmitting from a planet 10,000 Ly distant. Say they have been transmitting for only a thousand years. We won't recieve any signals from them for another 9,000 years. And thats just in our galaxy which itself is a hundred thousand Ly diameter.

    I personally take the position that radio capable human level intelligence is rare enough to maybe occur a few times per individual galaxy. Rare enough that it may be hundreds or thousands of years before we detect or are physically visited by alien beings. Otherwise, Aliens of some kind would eventually stumble upon us a lot sooner than a millinia if they are as common as they are portrayed to be in Star trek and Star Wars.

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    ahh star trek, where all the aliens speak English dont get me wrong i love star trek. The other thing to consider is that we cant assume that life in other places can decode our technology. Ok so we use radio waves, perhaps they dont, perhaps they use a different technology that is equally as alien to us. We may all be sending messages to each other but just be missing the relevent reciever to decode the signal. Or be looking in the wrong places, maybe one dimention is only perceivable to a certain type of conciousness and other life forms are on a completely different dimention, we could be all living right under each others noses so to speak but just can see each other, i think life is far more common throughout the universe than we think but it is going to be so diverse and so alien we probably wouldnt even recognise it. Who says life or aliens have to have any physical form anyway, they could and likely are soo alien that we wouldnt even know they are there i love this topic btw. clear skies to you all

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    If only alien contact could be as simple as Star Trek and Star Wars. Your right, we are highly unlikely to be able to decode alien language and they may have an equally difficult time decoding ours. But it probably could be done over time, like everything else. Its funnly how a show like Star Trek can attain almost mystical status when much of what they do was simply driven by budget and what they think the mass audience would tolerate from a space themed show. Teleportation was highlighted on Star Trek not because Gene Rodenberry saw it as a possible future development...it was done to save money on building the props required to show more conventional transportation. They did have the Galileo, I guess for backup, and once the teleportation idea took hold, then Rodenberry probably thought, "Wow, this could actually be something that could possibly work in the future".

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    wasnt there a choas theory or a quantum theory that states that a particle can be in two places at the same time, when you shine a single photon through 2 or 3 gaps you get more out the other side? cant remember it properley but i wonder if we can play about with quantum or string theory enough to transport ourselves somewhere else. seems reasonable though if we can scan or download every single cell in our body into a computer memory then it just needs to rebuild it exactly somewhere else. i just read a book called timeline by michael crtchton that played with that theory.

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    we literary do not know anything at all about any of the things we say, in regards to the universe. HIL could be 1:1,000,000, or it could be 1,000,000:1. We are most likely not looking in at all the right direction(or listening on the right type of radio). If Aliens are using tech to communicate to and from the ships/home world(s) then it is obviously not the tech we use to communicate to and from our home-world/ships. I trip to mars will force us to develop a new comtech, that might be the same(or simply just better then "our" current) as the type of tech Aliens would use to communicate. We "almost" have a current tech that would enable instant communication regardless of distance. Whether or not we decide to purse it's full course has yet to be seen...but a maned mars mission would help to give future comtech a nudge.

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    Thats true and thats why I optionalized the possibilities the way I did. Number 1 being no HLI, number 2 being rare and 3 being common. I did base it on one piece of the evidence. Earth itself and the rarity of HLI right here. But Earth is only one peice of the puzzle. Were going to be in a real bind if any potential alien contacts are using radically different technology and that too, is a very real problem that contributes to the long timeline I hypothesize for alien contact. I don't think we will see a SETI confirmation in my lifetime (I'm 56 now). Possible, but I'm betting it'll be much further into the future if at all.

    You mentioned instant comm. Are you saying something that allows radio or other signals to travel FTL?

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    i read here

    Physicists Slow Speed of Light

    that light can be slowed down so all you need to do is travel faster than that to go faster than light, i think there is more to it than the speed of light. light just happens to travel at 186.000 mile per second if left to its own devices, who knows what alien phisics says, maybe speed/light is relative, wasnt that what einstein was saying

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    I will make a new thread about our "almost" instant commtech(so that I dont derail this thread) The way that SETI looks for HIL is almost silly to me... It would work great for finding a race that is "about" where we are in terms of understanding, and happens to be closes enough. The limits of radio and other signals are that they originate from point A, and then arrive at point B(no matter how fast or slow, they always have to "travel to and from A-B")

 

 
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