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    An advanced Alien race will probably know how big the Universe is and thus know that competition for resources is something that primitive races do when still on there birth planet Just like us adults don't go beating all the children at day care in basket ball: Having a larger perspective in life tends to teach us that the outcome of a daycare basketball match (and the subsequent territorial claim of dare care grounds) Means nothing in our big picture. Now they may still want to play(or teach) with us, much in the same way that we interact with our lower lifeforms

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    Life in the universe.

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    We might be the only life in the Universe. Its not a question of arrogance, it either is, or is not. And the irony of it is that if there is no other life, we won't ever know! Why is that? Because we will never be able to travel across the entire known Universe and we might skip over extremely unusual planets with life because they do not necessarily meet the assumed parameters.

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    Human Level Intelligent (HLI) life is rare in the extreme. After all, its rare right here on Earth. Of all the life forms Earth has to offer. Humans are the only HLI forms, hence the name HLI. Cetacean or other animal life may be intelligent, but we have no way of knowing how advanced and so for the purpose of discussion, HLI means any being capable of...and demonstrating...tool building and advanced technological development.

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    HLI is common in the Universe. This would depend on what one means by common.

    I personally go with option 2 as the one making the most sense to me. I define that option as a sort of life pyramid thats wide base represents the most numerous types of life (Microbiological). The middle representing advancing life forms which become less common the more advanced they are. Insects, animals etc. The pyramid tip represents intelligence capable of intergalactic travel. By being at the pyramid apex, this sort of life is the rarest. All other life forms lie in between.

    Humanity would be defined as "A" non-spaceflight capable, "B" Spaceflight capable, "C" interplanetary, "D" interstellar and "E" intergalactic capable. We would be interplanetary if one accepts the definition of the moon as a planet.

    Based on these parameters. Interstellar or intergalactic HLI might be as few as 5 or 1 per galaxy respectively. It would go a long way towards explaining the Fermi paradox if such were the case.

    Heres the kicker. Suppose intergalactic HLI beings are found in 1 out of every 1,000,000 galaxies. Pretty rare until one considers how many galaxies exist in the known Universe. To say nothing of the Universe as yet discovered.
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    I find it amusing that all the members who posted to this thread have not reflected on what may be(IMHO) the most obvious of conclusions in our Quest for Life.
    Consider that what we search for is Here and has been Here for a long, long time.
    We,as humans have a hard time thinking out of the box. We think our technology is the end all/be all in this search. Are we so arrogant
    to think WE are the only species in existence that has ever searched
    for life?
    And the first to do so?
    I put out to you that we have lost that race.
    WE have been found so long ago. So long ago that modern man did not exist and would not for very long time. We have not gone without our observers in all that time. Instead of looking outward should we not be looking inward at our home,our earth.
    Think as you may, but be reminded that all may not be as it appears.
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    I try my best not to "go there" I already have to many conspiracy's to keep track of

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    it would make sense. perhaps planet earth is so perfect for life that aliens have already made themselves at home here, however the one flaw in that theory is that no other animal on this planet has made itselfe know to us to share the enthusiasm we have in space travel. i mean you dont see any other earth species builing space rockets. i agree sometimes i am amazed of the vast diversity of life on this planet all coming out of the same primordial sludge. i guess evolution and millions of years has alot to say for itself.

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    i often think about the dinosaurs that once ruled the planet and that they have been on the earth millions of years longer than us, yet they never evolved the brain power to to build anything apart from nests etc. And what if that meteor didnt wipe out the dinosaurs would they still be the dominant species today. also if the dinos were dominant here for so long i wonder if they were dominant elsewhere in the galaxy/universe, and maybe they wernt wiped out yet, i wonder if we will find evolved dinos out there

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    I haven't reflected on the "Obvious conclusion" that Bobble refers to because confirmation of life outside of Earthly life has not been obviously concluded. If that were the case, we'd know who they were, what they were and something about them. Nor has there been worldwide scientific confirmation of these ancient observers Bobble says found us so long ago. They are certainly possibilities. But when people have to fall back on the tired old "Thinking out of the box" cliche to advance an idea, it seals the deal to me as to whether an idea is obviously concluded or still just hypothetical.

    And just once, I would love to see someone produce a quote from a scientific journal or even magazine article that says, quoting Bobble here: "We think our technology is the end all/be all in this search". SETI researchers would be out of a job if they thought this way! Then there is the arrogant thing, which I mentioned in my post under option 1. But Bobble says "Are we so arrogant to think WE are the only species in existence that has ever searched for life?" Again, when has any serious scientist said this and who were they?

    I could see this kind of thinking being the case when the Catholic church ruled the roost. And there are a handful of scientists who might still think this way. But the church has long since fallen from its ruling perch and the scientists who would be stupid enough to think we are the only beings involved in a search for life are not worthy of the title "Scientist."

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    want some quotes

    Some Politicians

    "The UFO phenomenon being reported is something real and not visionary or fictitious"
    --General Nathan Twining Chairman, Joint chiefs of staff, 1955-1958

    "Unknown objects are operating under intelligent control... It is imperative that we learn where UFOs come from and what their purpose is. I can tell you, behind the scenes, high ranking military officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs"
    --Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter (Former director of the Central Intelligence Agency)

    Even Presidents?

    "The US Airforce assures me that UFO's pose no threat to National Security.."
    --President John F Kennedy

    "I looked out the window and saw this white light.It was zigzagging around. I went up to the pilot and said,Have you ever seen anything like that? He was shocked and he said, "Nope." And I said to him: "Let's follow it!" We followed it for several minutes. It was a bright white light.We followed it to Bakersfield, and all of a sudden to our utter amazement it went straight up into the heavens. When I got off the plane I told Nancy all about it."
    --President Ronald Reagan

    "I'm not at liberty to discuss the governments knowledge of extraterrestrial UFO's at this time. I am still personally being briefed on the subject!"
    --President Richard M. Nixon

    What about NASA and other SCIENTISTS?


    We all know that UFOs are real. All we need to ask is where do they come from, and what do they want?"
    --Apollo 14 Astronaut Capt. Edgar Mitchell

    "UFO sightings are now so common, the military doesn't have time to worry about them - so they screen them out. The major defense systems have UFO filters built into them, and when a UFO appears, they simply ignore it."
    --Lee Katchen (former atmospheric physicist with NASA)

    "In my official status, I cannot comment on ET contact. However, personally, I can assure you, we are not alone!
    --Charles J. Camarda (Ph.D.) NASA Astronaut

    "In my mind, there is no question that they're out there. My Career is well established. My texts books are required reading in all the major capitals on planet earth. If you want to become a physist to learn about the unified feild therory-you read my books. Therefore, I'm in a position to say: Yes- Most likely they're out their, perhaps even visted, perhaps on our moon. - ABC News Quote --
    -- Professor Michio Kaku

    "I was testing a P-51 fighter in Minneapolis when I spotted this object. I was at about 10,000 feet on a nice, bright, sunny afternoon. I thought the object was a kite, then I realized that no kite is gonna fly that high." As I got closer it looked like a weather balloon, gray and about three feet in diameter. But as soon as I got behind the darn thing it didn't look like a balloon anymore. It looked like a saucer, a disk. About the same time, I realized that it was suddenly going away from me -- and there I was, running at about 300 miles per hour. I tracked it for a little way, and then all of a sudden the damn thing just took off. It pulled about a 45 degree climbing turn and accelerated and just flat disappeared."
    --Mercury Astronaut Capt. Donald Slayton

    I could keep going but I think you get the point.

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    I have no doubt at all that there is alien life out there, my problem is that they would have to have a whole new set of physics to get here. As we understand it you cant travel faster than light, so even traveling at light speed you still cant get very far. Alien spacecraft would have had to travel for years and years at light speed to get here, and to do what? put on a bit of a light show and zip off with out so much as a hello. No i believe if Aliens and alien spaceships had visited us we would know about it, and no amount of "covering up" would work, they would make them selves known im sure.

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    at the same time, what types of Aliens do you think they would send to our planet? If they were Scientist then I would tend to think they would be very "hands off" much in the same way our scientist would act if we found a "primitive" Alien race. We messed up many aspects of our world by being to invasive. I think Super god like Aliens would "probably(XD)" be smarter then us and would have had many many years to learn from mistakes, like being invasive and altering the 4.5b year old evolutionary process that is Earth. On the other hand....

    I think a God like super Alien race would have made a handful(if not hundreds) of world changing mistakes on other worlds. So I am fearful that a "new" super god like Alien race might come here and "think" that they can fix us with there tech and save us the Pain of there worlds pre-space existence. Technology is 1 part having, and infinite parts possessing the responsibility to wield.( not that I would turn down a Warp drive or anything )

 

 
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