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    Quote Originally Posted by KeithBC View Post
    Pics or it didn't happen.
    All those glyphs can be seen here: (Good quality pictures)
    The Abydos Helicopter & The Golden Section

    Certainly "thought provoking"......Who knows what these glyphs truly are, or what they were trying to decipher when they did this, but, very interesting, nevertheless...
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    Quote Originally Posted by laney50w View Post
    Certainly "thought provoking"......Who knows what these glyphs truly are, or what they were trying to decipher when they did this, but, very interesting, nevertheless...
    I'm a total skeptic on this particular subject so the above is my take on it....no more, no less.

    Back to topic...
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    Quote Originally Posted by chulaivet1966 View Post
    I'm a total skeptic on this particular subject so the above is my take on it....no more, no less.

    Back to topic...
    I'm a believer in the Ancient Alien thing, BUT, I also realize that without proof, it's hard to really put anything to "fact"...Basically, I like to keep an open mind about everything. But, I'm also a realist...so, one day if I'm proven wrong, well, so be it. I'm wrong...wouldn't be the first time, and certainly won't be the last! HAHA

    What I find truly fascinating (in regards to these glyphs and other ancient artifacts similar to...) is this:

    One has to assume that our ancestors weren't complete idiots...they did some amazing things....so, for them to actually scribe pictures & drawings like this, makes me ask the question: What did they see to make them "think" to do this type of art work? And to actually carve things that look exactly like modern day aircraft, out of solid gold chunks...

    That, to me, is just interesting as hell! Whether one tends to believe in the Ancient Alien theory or not, still makes you wonder....and it really boggles the mind. (Well, it boggles my mind, anyway) hehe

    oh well....that's my 2c
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    Quote Originally Posted by laney50w View Post
    I'm a believer in the Ancient Alien thing, BUT, I also realize that without proof, it's hard to really put anything to "fact"...Basically, I like to keep an open mind about everything. But, I'm also a realist...so, one day if I'm proven wrong, well, so be it. I'm wrong...wouldn't be the first time, and certainly won't be the last! HAHA

    What I find truly fascinating (in regards to these glyphs and other ancient artifacts similar to...) is this:

    One has to assume that our ancestors weren't complete idiots...they did some amazing things....so, for them to actually scribe pictures & drawings like this, makes me ask the question: What did they see to make them "think" to do this type of art work? And to actually carve things that look exactly like modern day aircraft, out of solid gold chunks...

    That, to me, is just interesting as hell! Whether one tends to believe in the Ancient Alien theory or not, still makes you wonder....and it really boggles the mind. (Well, it boggles my mind, anyway) hehe

    oh well....that's my 2c
    All of the above teases the mind...NO doubt.
    These glyphs merely tells me (without diminishing the fact) that even thousands of years ago the creativeness and imagination of humans existed then as it does now.
    Even without any technology they were still able to conceive these images and leave us in mystery as to what motivated these images.
    Contemporary man is also able to conceive many incredible ideas even though we may be eons away from achieving them.

    Fascinating stuff to ponder and interpret to say the least and there's always something new to learn.
    I guess that's why we're here in this forum.

    Oh...my mind is easily 'boggled' with all the mysteries and questions to be answered......back to topic.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by chulaivet1966 View Post
    All of the above teases the mind...NO doubt.
    These glyphs merely tells me (without diminishing the fact) that even thousands of years ago the creativeness and imagination of humans existed then as it does now.
    Even without any technology they were still able to conceive these images and leave us in mystery as to what motivated these images.
    Contemporary man is also able to conceive many incredible ideas even though we may be eons away from achieving them.

    Fascinating stuff to ponder and interpret to say the least and there's always something new to learn.
    I guess that's why we're here in this forum.

    Oh...my mind is easily 'boggled' with all the mysteries and questions to be answered......back to topic.....
    So true!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Widdekind View Post
    you may not experience such communication. But other humans report having experienced such communication, namely the (alleged) telepathic "voices of the Gods" purportedly perceived by Prophets, Shamans, and other human religious leaders. For example, the ancient Greek oracles claimed to communicate with "Divine Beings".

    you may not experience such communication. Apparently, most Greeks did not either. But a few "special chosen" Greeks, i.e. their oracles, (allegedly) did experience such communication. The persistent pattern of reports, throughout human history, by "special chosen" people, of dreams, visions & voices, "from the Gods", can be construed, as advanced Alien direct-to-human communication.

    thousands of years ago, when a few Greeks reported such communications, the many accepted their claims, and made them oracles.
    I can't speak on behalf of everyone with regard to "hearing the gods" or what have you. However, I do recall watching a documentary on the oracles of ancient Greece, and methane gases venting from the mountains are believed to have triggered hallucinations which led to visions and hearing voices.

    The notion of far superior beings out in space communicating with certain humans can neither be proven nor disproven at this point. However, I don't know if or why beings with the capability to control other species from great distances would interest them. I imagine they would have better ways to pass the time.
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    ... I do recall watching a documentary on the oracles of ancient Greece, and methane gases venting from the mountains are believed to have triggered hallucinations which led to visions and hearing voices.

    The notion of far superior beings out in space communicating with certain humans can neither be proven nor disproven at this point...
    First, advanced Aliens would "need" humans to build primitive (for 'Them') radio dishes a la SETI, as much as Jane Goodall would "need" chimpanzees to build primitive (compared to humans) tools -- if an advanced species, millions of years more technological than another primitive species, "Willed" to communicate from the former to the latter; then the advanced species would simply "build a gizmo" to communicate (i.e. 'They' would just "A-team / MacGyver" together whatever wonder-technology would work well).

    Second, western science scoffs at human "primitives" for their "superstitions". Succumbing to circular reasoning, science ignores all phenomena which it cannot currently explain, and then claims infallibility. Methane gases vented from mountains in Greece, during the days of the oracles; perhaps other natural-for-earth events occurred, during the days of the Prophets, of the Abrahamic traditions. But through it all, there exists a persistent pattern, of reported "para-normal" telepathic communication, with awesomely advanced "Gods in the heavens" -- construable as Aliens Who have mentally manifested to all human tribes & nations, for ages, explaining all human Religious & Spiritual experiences. According to parsimony, one Super-Alien has been communicating to earthlings, since the stone age, first to Shamans & Witch-doctors, then to Rabbis, Bishops, & Clerics (albeit by different "call-signs", e.g. "other-worldly astral Spirits" to stone age Shamans, "YHWH" to Jews, "God in the heavens" to Christians, "Allah, the Lord of the worlds" to Muslims).

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    Quote Originally Posted by tekazgtr1984 View Post
    I don't know if or why beings with the capability to control other species from great distances would interest them. I imagine they would have better ways to pass the time.
    There is a specific scientific criterion, which would indicate, that humans have (actually) been contacted, by advanced Aliens:

    Q: have humans, on earth, received meaningful & intelligible communiques, from space
    A: "Muhammad, Muhammad, this is 'Jibril', transmitting on behalf of 'Allah', the Lord of the worlds, of the Kingdom/Empire of the heavens..."

    That criterion is objective, and not -- according to science & logic -- a matter of personal subjective opinion.

    Never-the-less, numerous obstacles derail debate, and i do not know how to popularize science & logic, and their implications, against favored personal opinions. If humans do have "space neighbors", then 'They' should be presumed hostile, according to wisdom -- following orders from "Gods in the heavens" would, therefrom, be predicted to result, only in the destruction, of human property, limb, & life on earth, e.g. murdering Yitzak Rabin because "God in the sky said so".

    If advanced Aliens can get Jews (Yigal Amir) to kill Jews (Yitzak Rabin), then 'They' could get humans (Cain, Set) to kill humans (Abel, Osiris) -- as mythologically remembered, in humans' most ancient mythic memories. By such telepathic power, 'They' could effect a "species suicide" Doomsday. The ability to destroy other species (get them to destroy themselves), in remote star systems, would have obvious space warfare ("star wars") utility.

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    ok folks.this is heading into religion and a breach of TOS.
    please get it back on track or this thread will be locked.
    you know the rules guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Widdekind View Post
    First, advanced Aliens would "need" humans to build primitive (for 'Them') radio dishes a la SETI, as much as Jane Goodall would "need" chimpanzees to build primitive (compared to humans) tools -- if an advanced species, millions of years more technological than another primitive species, "Willed" to communicate from the former to the latter; then the advanced species would simply "build a gizmo" to communicate (i.e. 'They' would just "A-team / MacGyver" together whatever wonder-technology would work well).

    Second, western science scoffs at human "primitives" for their "superstitions". Succumbing to circular reasoning, science ignores all phenomena which it cannot currently explain, and then claims infallibility. Methane gases vented from mountains in Greece, during the days of the oracles; perhaps other natural-for-earth events occurred, during the days of the Prophets, of the Abrahamic traditions. But through it all, there exists a persistent pattern, of reported "para-normal" telepathic communication, with awesomely advanced "Gods in the heavens" -- construable as Aliens Who have mentally manifested to all human tribes & nations, for ages, explaining all human Religious & Spiritual experiences. According to parsimony, one Super-Alien has been communicating to earthlings, since the stone age, first to Shamans & Witch-doctors, then to Rabbis, Bishops, & Clerics (albeit by different "call-signs", e.g. "other-worldly astral Spirits" to stone age Shamans, "YHWH" to Jews, "God in the heavens" to Christians, "Allah, the Lord of the worlds" to Muslims).
    Quote Originally Posted by Widdekind View Post
    There is a specific scientific criterion, which would indicate, that humans have (actually) been contacted, by advanced Aliens:

    Q: have humans, on earth, received meaningful & intelligible communiques, from space
    A: "Muhammad, Muhammad, this is 'Jibril', transmitting on behalf of 'Allah', the Lord of the worlds, of the Kingdom/Empire of the heavens..."

    That criterion is objective, and not -- according to science & logic -- a matter of personal subjective opinion.

    Never-the-less, numerous obstacles derail debate, and i do not know how to popularize science & logic, and their implications, against favored personal opinions. If humans do have "space neighbors", then 'They' should be presumed hostile, according to wisdom -- following orders from "Gods in the heavens" would, therefrom, be predicted to result, only in the destruction, of human property, limb, & life on earth, e.g. murdering Yitzak Rabin because "God in the sky said so".

    If advanced Aliens can get Jews (Yigal Amir) to kill Jews (Yitzak Rabin), then 'They' could get humans (Cain, Set) to kill humans (Abel, Osiris) -- as mythologically remembered, in humans' most ancient mythic memories. By such telepathic power, 'They' could effect a "species suicide" Doomsday. The ability to destroy other species (get them to destroy themselves), in remote star systems, would have obvious space warfare ("star wars") utility.
    I don't know religion became a part of this conversation and to be perfectly honest, it sounds like you've been watching too much Ancient Aliens.

    So, I'll stick to the theme of what I was discussing, which is this: humans cannot - at this point in time - prove or disprove that extraterrestrial life has the ability or means to effectively control our thoughts or actions. Alien indoctrination is, for all intents and purposes, nothing more than science fiction for the moment.
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