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    Hi

    This is slightly OT but its still probably the best place to ask:
    I vaguely recall a WWII story involving some very dangerous flight
    experiments, as far as I recall, the Nazis were using disgraced German
    pilots to fly some highly experimental aircraft (as the story goes –
    the pilots were given the choice of flying these aircraft or stand
    trial and be executed).
    I have very few details about the particular tidbit I'm interested in
    but maybe someone here can help fill in the (admittedly, large) gaps –
    there was a story about one of those aircraft where, immediately after
    takeoff, the pilot had to yank out the flight stick and throw it out
    the window.
    Is this just an imaginary tale or is there some truth to it?

    Best regards,
    Bater

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    Default WWII story - truth or fiction?

    On 11 Aug 2003 07:24:44 -0700, bater@netvision.net.il (Bater) wrote:




    That must be the secret Nazi Space Shuttle invented by Werner von
    Buran. ;-)



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    In message <27435e5b.0308110624.4f55cb6c@posting.google.com >, Bater
    <bater@netvision.net.il> writes

    The story came up on this newsgroup a few months ago, and it apparently
    refers to the BA-349 Natter. According to Pat Flannery if he didn't do
    this it would "tear his nuts off" - probably academic, in the
    circumstances.
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    "Bater" <bater@netvision.net.il> wrote in message
    news:27435e5b.0308110624.4f55cb6c@posting.google.c om...

    There _was_ a program of tests of the V-1 "Buzz Bomb" (I think) with a
    cockpit and pilot replacing the warhead. Don't know much about it.
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    I was reading in the bathroom when I ran across an item written by
    "Alan Erskine" <alanerskine@optusnet.com.au> on Tue, 12 Aug 2003
    02:21:26 +1000, which said:


    Hanna Reitsch reportedly test-flew that variant.


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    John Beaderstadt wrote:


    according to her autobiography she assuredly did - and it was not
    neccessary to force her to do it ..

    servus

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    Jonathan Silverlight wrote:
    Exactly. The Natter was a very short-winged rocket plane which launched
    vertically. Once it was at cruise height, the tip of the nose would be
    jettisoned, allowing the pilot to make a single, high-speed pass through
    a bomber formation and fire off his unguided air-to-air rockets. After
    the pass was over, and the flight speed had bled off, the pilot would
    remove the flight stick and jettison the aircraft nose (basically
    everything forward of his seat), and then bail out.

    There was a single (and fatal) powered test flight.

    FWIW, the Me163 was hardly more effective. It killed more test and
    operational pilots, and ground crew, than it did Allied bomber crews.

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    In message <nIPZa.44149$8O2.434664@news.chello.at>, Markus Baur
    <baur@removethis.telekabel.at> writes
    AFAIK she flew almost everything except the Natter, which is probably
    how she lived to write it. The V-1 tests were featured in the film
    "Operation Crossbow".
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    "Ami A. Silberman"

    j>jettisoned, allowing the pilot to make a single, high-speed pass through

    There was a German manned jet powered interceptor. Would have said it was the
    same one but this one took off horizontally. Anyway it had a row of mortar
    tubes on each wing root that pointed vertically. A photo sensor pointed upward
    as well. The craft would fly under a formation of Allied bombers. When the
    photo cell detected the underside of the bomber, it fired the mortars upward.
    It was said to actually work. The automatic firing was necessary due to the
    high speed of the rocket plane relative to its overhead target.





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    http://www.germanvtol.com/bachemfolder/bachem.html

    The pilot, Lothar Siebert, was not threatened with his life.
    Due to some minor thing, he was degraded and had the prospect
    of being promoted again after doing the flight.
    The flight happened on February 28th 1945 and is the first manned
    vertical rocket launch in history.
    There is a pretty well German documentary
    "Der vergessene Raketenflug" (The Forgotten Rocket Flight)
    about this. Avery good book about it is
    "Der erste bemannte Raketenstart der Welt"
    (The world's first manned rocket launch).
    http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/tg/...#more-pictures

 

 
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