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    Default Positions of the constellations in relation to astrology?



    Anonyma wrote:

    I'm not sure what Daniel's contribution has to do with the topic,
    Anonyma, but I can offer some general answer to your question. The
    astrological sign for any given day corresponds to the astrological
    sign on the ecliptic which appears to be occupied by the Sun during the
    daytime. Of course, the stars aren't visible during the daytime and
    thusly we cannot directly observe what sign the Sun occupies, but the
    ancient cultures from which the astrological disciplines are known to
    have emerged (Persian, Sumerian/Babylonian, and yes, Greek) included
    scholars who could calculate which sign the Sun occupied during any day
    of the year. In ancient times, the Sun was considered just another
    planet to astrologers, since they all held a geocentric view of the
    cosmos, that is to say that they believed that all planets orbited the
    earth instead of the Sun.

    So, when the 'Sun is in Scorpio', that is to say that, if you could see
    the stars in the daytime behind the Sun, you would see the
    constellation Scorpio in the sky behind it. At night, you would see
    the constellations opposite Scorpio on the ecliptic, IOW, Taurus,
    Gemini, and perhaps Cancer.

    At one time long ago, the constellations for which the astrological
    signs are named were synchronised with their respective constellations.
    Over time, however, a process known as the Precession of the Equinoxes
    has caused the gradual desynchronisation of signs and constellations,
    and now they are more than a whole sign off. Without opening a lengthy
    scientific discussion, experts state that this phenomenon occurs
    because the earth is not a perfect sphere, and 'wobbles' on its axis
    like a top does when its spin decelerates. This cycle takes some
    26,000 years to complete one full revolution in the earth's 'wobble' on
    its axis, so it's definitely a gradual process. We are currently in
    the Age of Pisces (and have been since around the year 90 BCE), which
    means that the Sun occupies a position in the constellation Pisces
    during the Vernal (Spring) Equinox, rather than the beginning of Aries.
    According to Carl Jung, the fabled Age of Aquarius popularised by the
    culture of the 1960's won't actually dawn until around the year 2600
    CE.

    Hope this helps
    David


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    Default Positions of the constellations in relation to astrology?


    basilikon wrote:

    Actually, I'm going to correct myself here. I said above that the
    desynchronisation of signs and constellations is now more than a whole
    astrological sign off, when in fact, the precession has actually only
    migrated mostly (but not completely) through the sign of Pisces, that
    is to say, less than a full sign from the beginning of (0º) Aries.



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    Default Positions of the constellations in relation to astrology?

    In article <1163721263.546020.20650@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups. com>,
    "basilikon" <basilikon@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>

    That depends on where you place the 'original origin'. Since the
    zodiacal constellations vary considerably in longitudinal extent, even
    overlapping in places (as projected onto the ecliptic), there's no
    obvious way of aligning them with the tropical signs. Some astrologers
    assign the longitude of 15? Taurus (45? along the ecliptic from the
    vernal equinox) to Aldebaran, which also puts Antares very near 15?
    Scorpio (225? long.); according to this system the difference between
    the tropical and sidereal signs is indeed about 25?, as you indicate.
    However, other references are used: in Indian astrology (which does
    track precession, unlike most forms practised in the West) there are
    several values of this _ayanamsa_ in use, the standard or most common
    assigning the autumnal equinox (180? long.) to Spica (which is called
    _Chitra_ in Hindi). Anyway, regardless of the chosen starting point,
    some of the constellations will inevitably truncated or augmented in
    being 'shoehorned' into equal 30? segments of the ecliptic.

    --
    Odysseus

 

 

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