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    I hate to interrupt the humour, but some info FYI.

    Vancouver Island (where I live) has the largest Mountain Lion population and density in the world, and sadly the encroachment on their hunting grounds makes for hungry cats. Many attacks take place here on adults, children, and dogs (I've had two encounters in just the last decade) so we keep track of a lot of info to stay safe.

    List of Mountain Lion Attacks -> you can read up on hundreds of attacks to see what people did that worked (and didn't work).

    Music and noise does not seem to deter them from approaching (not here, anyway).

    But they are cats, and sharp loud noises work quite well.

    Air horns are not bad ideas, but better are "bangers" you fire from a flare gun. Don't know the proper name for them, but I don't hike without them.

    And obviously don't set up where there are any ledges or other ambush spots near you!

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    EDIT: Gotta love this guy-> In the struggle, Parker was hurled into the ditch, where his jaw was shattered against a rock and his cheekbone broken. As the cat clawed and bit into his neck, face, and head, Parker managed to open his knife's three-inch blade, stab the cougar a few times, and eventually slit its throat, leaving the cat to bleed in the middle of the gravel road.
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    Last June I spent the night observing at a dark sky site in western Wisconsin. I was in a big field (the group camping site at a park) and at one point in the evening, a vicious animal fight occurred at the edge of the field, I'd say 100 to 200 feet away. Lots and lots of vicious snarling and growling and thrashing. I'm guessing it was coyotes but I don't really know.

    I was lying on my back on the ground when it started and the first thing I did was stand up; I did not want to get caught lying on the ground. I walked over to the car and opened the door in case I wanted to jump in quickly. Then I just stood listened to it; it went on for quite some time. Though I have spent many, many nights out in the woods, and have encountered pretty much all of the animals there are to encounter here, I have never heard anything like that before.
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    I've had a couple run-ins with mountain lions in my life. One time was on horseback and I was only about ten meters from him. Fired a gun into the air, which the cougar was pretty unimpressed by. After a few seconds I went with the horse's suggestion and went back the way I came, while looking over my shoulder the whole damn time. Other times have been at a distance, but I hear enough horror stories about people being mauled by them that I list them right next to grain augers and table saws as things I have a healthy fear of.

    As it stands, the banger-flare gun thing I've heard from a few people works really well, and they're not legally questionable to carry like handguns are here. As well, considering they tend to be ambush predators, the chances of drawing a pistol before its on you is very low. Even at that, if its in a straight charge, it would be seriously difficult for the average joe to pull said pistol and actually get a kill shot before it jumps on you.

    Anyways, bringing a dog certainly helps, maybe not for defense, but as an early warning definitely.

    Anyways, that's just my two cents

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pingu View Post
    A dog and nice .45 pistol. I would rather have the pistol...
    Dogs and guns - one or the other or both are always suggested when this thread appears (at least once each season).

    Fact is, neither is much worth a darn!

    Dogs:

    A mature mountain lion will kill or incapacitate even the largest dog so fast it'll make your head swim. In addition, if the dog is poorly trained, (or just plain nuts) it may start barking or acting in an agressive manner which will cause the cat to act where it otherwise might not.

    The only potential value of a dog is that it's presence may just keep the cat from coming anywhere near you, but if the cat attacks, a dog's only value is to buy time while you get away. (Not said jokingly).

    Guns:

    Considering that the average person can't reliably hit a target the size of a man at 10ish yards, a .45 (or any other caliber) would likely be useless against a lion. I've had considerable firearms training and am a decent pistol shot with a variety of calibers, including the .45 ACP. Even so, I'd hate to depend on my ability to make an incapacitating shot on a lion, even a stationary one, in the dark. God forbid you just wound him and REALLY make him mad.

    Remember, only Hollywood believes that a pistol is useful at ranges much greater than about 20-25 feet.
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    Im glad to be in Holland, worst I have to contend with is maybe cows or sheep, although one time I did see a hedgehog.

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    Well we have boar here and a 357 is good to go.
    If it was mountain lion, I guess I'd just take a friend and make sure I could run faster than him.
    I've rolled running pigs with my 357 and a 44mag - and at more than 50 yards - it's a matter of practice. Most people (including the Police unfortunately) can't hit a 44 gallon barrel at 50 paces - which in my view negates the use of a firearm completely

    I've rolled running emu and kangaroos at 300 yards - with a 243 - but that's a different kettle of fish.

    An infra red proximity alert would be handy - a long knife quite good too I guess - a lot of pig hunters use them.

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    If it was mountain lion, I guess I'd just take a friend and make sure I could run faster than him.
    that is a good one, but seriously a lot of snarling noises sounds like raccoons at least that is what I would wish for if I was in that position.

    I agree there isn't much to do even with a gun - if the cat is stalking you - you won't have time to draw it let alone shoot it. Best idea is to not attract any attention - no food and make sure you don't BBQ before you go viewing - or at least stay in a large clearing and play some music to keep cats away.

    On the other hand, bears like a grizzly is another issue. I went to a remote area (ie not even power lines anywhere) of Canada once, wolves howling at night. We were driving and I say what is that huge shadow standing up on that small rocky hill to my older friend? He says its not a bear, and just as he says that the giant BEAR runs down the rocks right in front of our car - breaking small trees in its path - that was the point that I wish I was at home on my balcony! It was pretty silent after that in the car, and we made sure the camp (only a few minutes walk away) was clear of any food as best we could.

    I would say carry a flare and/or a whistle and at least if you can't scare the savage beast away hopefully someone will come to the rescue!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanislandmike View Post
    EDIT: Gotta love this guy-> In the struggle, Parker was hurled into the ditch, where his jaw was shattered against a rock and his cheekbone broken. As the cat clawed and bit into his neck, face, and head, Parker managed to open his knife's three-inch blade, stab the cougar a few times, and eventually slit its throat, leaving the cat to bleed in the middle of the gravel road.
    This is why I always carry a pocket knife. Instead of injuries he would have been lunch. You always read stories of joggers getting carried off in California and their friends having to beat the mountain lion with sticks as it chews their friends face off. A pocket knife isn't much, but it's better than a stick or nothing.

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    No knife for me, too close a distance to be of use..............Am in middle of registering with Police to carry a handgun for person protection in my state permit. Been shooting a BIG 40 caliber with a 15 round clip & I have to say while we have no cougers or bears in my area we do have homeys & rednecks with criminal intentions & this size pistol would stop anything with the correct steel jacketed hollow points........................I plan to only carry it to & from viewing spots in the booneys & to target pratcise & leave it at home period. I will no longer worry about weirdos in the night.................................
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