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    Default The Origin of The Universe / S D Rodrian [vs. the eternal existence of the universe]



    >From: Ralph Hertle (ralph.hertle@verizon.net)
    alt.astronomy, alt.sci.physics

    Quite the opposite, my entire premise is that there are
    no uncaused effects (I state quite plainly that existence
    can NOT be all-or-nothing because there is no way for
    Something to come from Nothing). I am trying to show
    that never could there have been absolute Nothing (or,
    that there was always Something). In other words, that
    existence is not absolute but relativistic (an evolution
    of a simpler form of Something into a more complex and
    therefore "condensed" form of Something). Reread the
    part where a higher density fills up a space with lower
    density: that's how the World began (as the song says).
    In other words:
    Big Bang-ers are the ones who begin from nothing and
    say Something came from it (although they use the smoke-
    and-mirrors gimmick of making the Big Bang microscopic
    so the rubes won't "see" that they're saying Something
    came into existence from Nothingness--if they claimed that
    the Big Bang started as a ball the size of the planet Venus
    they're have something quite impossible to explain on their
    hands, you see). I commend the latest "draping" of the Big
    Bang as a pinhole from another dimension & other such
    inventive nonsense, though... although, this falls into the
    same dilemma that saying "God created man" creates: If
    one is seeking the origin of it all one must now ask: "who
    created God?" [Their latest rationalizations only make our
    universe irrelevant in the quest for how "it all" came about
    and one must now explain how all the other dimensions and
    brainless branes came about.] I say chuck it all!


    You understand my point but assume I am arguing
    against it! Goodness, where will it all end?!? Did I say
    there were no Ford Fairlanes before the universe and did
    you then think I meant that there were BMWs?... Read
    and read again, eventually the meaning of the words will
    penetrate your prejudice: Imagine YOU are the writer.

    You make me feel like the peacock who is constantly asked
    at parties: "Yes, but are you trying to come off as a peacock?"


    Sir: I am a peacock! Perhaps if you didn't drink so much.
    If I were trying to come off as a spider I'd have hairier legs.


    Don't all these tail feathers mean anything at all to you?


    Look, see how I'm strutting about waving my huge tail.
    See how I can make the chandelier dance just by shaking
    my bootie at it... could a rat do that? Now, be reasonable!


    I shall now black out the Sun with my technicolor tail.
    Now I ask you, gov'nor: Could a mere chicken do that.... ?


    Dear Ralphy, please visit the zoo. There will you see many,
    many, many peacocks. Then please take a second look at me:
    I hop about crying: Hoopteedoo! Hoopteedoo! Did you video-tape it?

    The world is a funny place!

    S D Rodrian
    http://poems.sdrodrian.com
    http://physics.sdrodrian.com
    http://music.sdrodrian.com

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    Default The Origin of The Universe / S D Rodrian [vs. the eternal existenceof the universe]

    SDR:

    SDR wrote:

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    What can I possibly say; I have none of your gifts of polylogism, context
    switching, nor obsfucation.

    You use no factual, rational, or logical arguments, and instead you employ
    the fallacy of the science of the errors of logic called the "appeal to
    laughter".

    Science replaced by humor is either incapable mysticism or inept lies and
    immoral irresponsibility.

    Having read all the appropriate literature and evaluated the relevant data,
    I have concluded and said nothing more than the facts.


    Ralph Hertle


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    Default The Origin of The Universe / S D Rodrian [vs. the eternal existenceof the universe]



    SDR wrote:

    You mean that you have not seen an effect without a cause. Have you seen
    every effect that ever was or will be? I doubt it. So how can you assert
    that there are no effects with no cause?

    It is true that when we see an effect we seek a cause, but seeking does
    not guarantee either that we find what is sought or that what is sought
    exists.

    Bob Kolker

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    Default The Origin of The Universe / S D Rodrian [vs. the eternal existence of the universe]


    "SDR" <sdrodrian@sdrodrian.com> wrote in message
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    Agreed. It's nonsense. Rodrian fabricates insubstantial
    straw men.

    The initial conditions of BBT are physically consistent
    with those of the present whereof t = 0. Whereas the
    "beginning", t ~ - 13.5 x 10^9 years, exists only as an
    asymptote, the initial conditions of BBT are located on
    the asymptotic curve.

    One event follows another because causality runs no
    faster than the speed of light.

    The "beginning" exists on the boundaries of observable
    space and time. Elsewhere and elsewhen are non-causal
    to the observable Universe because they are out of space
    and time.

    [Old Man]




 

 

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