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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozman13 View Post
    Abb is right on the money! You have MANY good options starting with a $1000 budget, but the binos are by FAR where you should begin, and you WILL keep coming back to them. I prefer to mount my binoculars, even my smaller ones go on my cheap ($10) monopod.

    While you're becoming familiar with the skies, consider things about any future scope like manual (find it yourself) or goto, how large of a scope do you want (can reasonably transport and set up), and what kind of things have piqued my interest in the binoculars.

    One very popular and quite capable scope is an 8" Dob ($400) but is totally manual and some (not many) find too large. It has many advantages, but a few drawbacks (as with every scope).
    Thanks, Ozman13. You're not the first to make the same recommendation about buying good binocs and a platform FIRST, and then invest in a telescope. Seems odd to me, but one thing I have learned over the years of trying out new hobbies is that, left to my own devices, I jump in uninformed and waste money on stuff that wasn't right for my needs, or stuff that I didn't need at all. Wasting money is no longer a privilege I get to enjoy, so I'm looking to the Jedi Masters on this forum to guide me.

    That said, the information that I've gleaned thus far about binocs is that, any brand other than Oberwerk WILL require collimation right out of the box. With a solid platform like a tripod and parallelogram mount, the total would eat up nearly my entire budget for a telescope! Seems silly to me to spend that much money on an instrument that will only allow me to look at the moon and other bright objects in the night sky. But many other Jedis here have said that most own several pairs of binocs, so there must be logic to it. Please explain that to me, or point me in the direction that will educate me about the value of binoculars in astronomy. I don't know what I don't know, sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JML View Post
    I too suggest a good pair of binoculars to start off with and then I suggest visiting an astronomy club and seeing if they have any loaner scopes you can try out, some libraries have them too. Arizona has a number of astronomy clubs, a list can be found at this link, Astronomy Clubs in Arizona | 2019 List | Go Astronomy, Getting a chance to look at a scope and try it out at night can help you to find what will work for you.
    Thanks, John. As I asked of Ozman13, if you'd care to educate me in the value of good binocs over a telescope, I'd appreciate it. As for astronomy clubs, the closest to me is several miles away. We live in an "active adult community" that has a gazillion type clubs, but no astronomy club. I guess it's because they all go to bed when it gets dark outside. lol

    There's no doubt that learning in person from someone who already knows a lot and is willing to share beats trying to do it online, but for now, this is all I have. I've sent an e-mail to the contact in a nearby club requesting information. Thanks for the link!

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    If you don't know where to begin just get a 10" Dob and a pair of 20x80 Skymaster binos on the side. IMHO a pair of binos are no substitute for a telescope but are nice to have for easy wide field exploring. You may want to get out of town because LP is a serious problem so maybe check out the Skywatcher collapsible version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N8RV View Post
    Seems silly to me to spend that much money on an instrument that will only allow me to look at the moon and other bright objects in the night sky.
    And that is the most common held misconception. They will show you WAY MORE than what you are expecting!

    The advantage comes from the brain's ability to merge the two separate images increasing the perceived brightness bringing dimmer objects into view.

    If you go with a brand other than Oberwerk there is a good chance that they will need collimating, but is easy.

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    Hi N8RV. Atr my age, I know how you feel. Here is a guide for new telescope buyers, at:
    Recommended Telescopes for Beginners by Price Range
    Although even with some updates, it somewhat outdated. However, you have still come to the right place to ask your questions, and get great answers from the friendly and knowledgeable folks on here. Welcome to the forum N8RV, and the best of wishes on your future telescope purchase decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N8RV View Post
    Thanks, John. As I asked of Ozman13, if you'd care to educate me in the value of good binocs over a telescope, I'd appreciate it. As for astronomy clubs, the closest to me is several miles away. We live in an "active adult community" that has a gazillion type clubs, but no astronomy club. I guess it's because they all go to bed when it gets dark outside. lol

    There's no doubt that learning in person from someone who already knows a lot and is willing to share beats trying to do it online, but for now, this is all I have. I've sent an e-mail to the contact in a nearby club requesting information. Thanks for the link!
    Coming from an education profession, you got me thinking about why I recommend good binocs as a first purchase. As a kid when I was saving for my first telescope, my father got me to buy a pair of binoculars to use while I saved enough for the scope. I still have those binoculars, I don't have the scope. He knew you could see a lot of things with a good pair of binoculars from his time in the navy and that putting off buying the scope for a few months due to spending some of my scope money would in the long run be worth it. Back then I used the binoculars on a simple tripod. Being short at the time the tripod did not have to be very big.

    Jump forward 50 years. I now own four or five pairs of binoculars so my first purchase as an adult was an Explore Scientific AR102 and the mount was a Celestron CG5-GT. I was looking for a combination that would work for visual and astrophotography and help me find what I wanted to see with ease. I knew from the beginning that astrophotography was going to be a big part of my astronomy hobby so I looked for what I could get for about $1000 that would allow my to use a dslr camera to take pictures of stuff. I still use the mount as my prime astrophotography mount, but I own five more scopes and a few more camera. If astrophotography was not of interest I would have gotten a different kind of scope and a different kind of mount. I would have gone for the largest dob I could afford and carry.

    So now that I have all of this equipment, what do I use? Well, on a clear night I have one of my scopes on the CG5 mount taking pictures with the ASI1600mm camera. I am usually sitting in the observatory with my binoculars checking out the night sky. Besides the moon, I have seen a few open star clusters and nebulas with the 11x70 binoculars and I got a view of comet 46P/Wirtanen a few weeks ago. They are best for looking a large objects that are on the brighter side. It is a rare night that I will set up a second scope for observing when I am doing astrophotography. So the best reason for having a nice pair of binoculars is that you will use them.

    A lot of issues can be involved in deciding what kind of scope is the right one for you. What do you want to see? Can you leave the scope parked out ready for use, or do you have to pack it way after each session. Do you want to take pictures or not? Do you want to star hop to find things or are you like me and want to see it now? I hope this helps, if you do get hooked on the hobby, you will have more then one scope in time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozman13 View Post
    And that is the most common held misconception. They will show you WAY MORE than what you are expecting!
    The advantage comes from the brain's ability to merge the two separate images increasing the perceived brightness bringing dimmer objects into view.
    If you go with a brand other than Oberwerk there is a good chance that they will need collimating, but is easy.
    Very true. I got lucky with my Celestron 15x70's in that they were properly collimated. In regards to the 20x80 binos that CamelHat mentioned, I saw them side by side with the 15x70's and felt they were a bit too big/heavy and much more expen$ive than the 15x70's so I went with the 15x70's with no regrets

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    Very true. I got lucky with my Celestron 15x70's in that they were properly collimated. In regards to the 20x80 binos that CamelHat mentioned, I saw them side by side with the 15x70's and felt they were a bit too big/heavy and much more expen$ive than the 15x70's so I went with the 15x70's with no regrets

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    I too skipped the 20x80s and went with the 15x70s. They were my first pair of "larger" binos. GAME CHANGER Then I just had to have the 25x100s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozman13 View Post
    I too skipped the 20x80s and went with the 15x70s. They were my first pair of "larger" binos. GAME CHANGER Then I just had to have the 25x100s.
    I got the 20x80 because I wanted the largest aperture for a reaonable price. They were only $145 or $100 on sale while the 25x100 were disproportionately more expensive. I forgot how much they were at the time but I see them now for $300. That's still not much but for something on the side I felt the 20x80 was a better deal.
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