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    Default FLI 8300 RBI and MAXIM



    Hi,

    My new FLI 8300 arrived yesterday. I understand that the Kodak 8300 chip does suffer from RBI and that it has an infrared pre-flash capability that overcomes RBI. Has anyone on this forum got any experience with configuring MaxIm to trigger the per-flash capability, if so what do you have to do!

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    Default Re: FLI 8300 RBI and MAXIM


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    Default Re: FLI 8300 RBI and MAXIM

    Thanks Phil

    As a matter of fact I use ccdap5 for all imaging orchestration, I'll chase that lead and see where it takes me. Of course having just got the camera we are looking down the barrel of t least one weeks worth of inclement weather. Yahooooo.

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    Default Re: FLI 8300 RBI and MAXIM

    I have a OSC FLI ML-8300C [and an Apogee Alta U8300M Mono and I sold an ATIK 383L+]. I have run MaxIM v5.01, v5.07, v5.18 and v5.23. I just connect the Cameras and run them, just like all the other Cameras that I have had.

    The only issue I have seen with my FLI is that the metal shutter on my camera can drop small metal shavings onto the glass of the Camera. Eventually if you see lots of small circles that look like moisture residue in your flats, you may have the same issue. I think that FLI may have changed the material that is used, so your Camera could be different.

    Holding the Camera in my hand, I set a very long exposure. This holds the shutter wide open. With the Camera glass down, I used a Giotti Air Rocket Blaster to blow the the chips out. It was a fast, simple and effective operation. Over time, the edges of the bellows will wear in. So eventually the cleaning will not be required.

    Frankly, I would love to trade my Mono Apogee for a Mono FLI. The Apogee is a great Camera, but the FLI is more compact.

    I am sure you will enjoy the Camera. AlanP

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    Default Re: FLI 8300 RBI and MAXIM

    Thanks Alan.

    Once the weather clears ill get back into it. I did get about 10 minutes in last night whilst the clouds were rolling in. Camera seemed to work ok, but every time I slewed the scope while the camera was operating, MaxIm would freeze. Powering the camera down and up would fix the problem. Sounds electrical. I never experienced this with my old FLI PL16803?

    You mentioned shutter shavings, what kind of shutter do you have? I've got the four leaf stainless steel shutter with the 25 millisecond minimum shutter speed. Noisy as the all get out, I'll keep an eye out for shavings

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    Default Re: FLI 8300 RBI and MAXIM

    Sounds like the USB connection at the Camera is lost during slew. Put some form of strain relief for the USB cable at the Camera, so that any tugging on the USB cable during slew cannot pull on the Camera connection. That should fix the problem. It is always a good idea to isolate the cable pack from pulling on the camera.

    The Shutter is four stainless steel blades that lightly rub on each other. Apparently the edge can loose extremely small pieces. Maybe on the inside of the blade can fall onto the glass. Probably pieces from the outer edge would also work their way to the mounted Camera. I could not see the pieces on the glass. But postings on the Internet had pointed to the problem. So it was a very easy fix for me. I have not used anything on that front glass but air to clean the surface. I would be concerned about scratching the surface. And I have only had to clean the surface once so far. My recent Flats all can out perfect.

    I you ever needed to clean the glass, I would suggest flooding it with the liquid and then pouring off the liquid first. Repeat that a few time to lift off any particles. Then light wipe with something like a Zeiss Glass cleaning towelette.

    Frankly I tend to stick to air or a horse hair camera lens brush for any cleaning. But with metal present, only air with gravity assist to let the particles fall away.

    Maybe they have changed [improved] front their process to better burr the edge. AlanP

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    Default Re: FLI 8300 RBI and MAXIM

    Quote Originally Posted by AlanP View Post
    Sounds like the USB connection at the Camera is lost during slew. Put some form of strain relief for the USB cable at the Camera, so that any tugging on the USB cable during slew cannot pull on the Camera connection. That should fix the problem. It is always a good idea to isolate the cable pack from pulling on the camera.

    The Shutter is four stainless steel blades that lightly rub on each other. Apparently the edge can loose extremely small pieces. Maybe on the inside of the blade can fall onto the glass. Probably pieces from the outer edge would also work their way to the mounted Camera. I could not see the pieces on the glass. But postings on the Internet had pointed to the problem. So it was a very easy fix for me. I have not used anything on that front glass but air to clean the surface. I would be concerned about scratching the surface. And I have only had to clean the surface once so far. My recent Flats all can out perfect.

    I you ever needed to clean the glass, I would suggest flooding it with the liquid and then pouring off the liquid first. Repeat that a few time to lift off any particles. Then light wipe with something like a Zeiss Glass cleaning towelette.

    Frankly I tend to stick to air or a horse hair camera lens brush for any cleaning. But with metal present, only air with gravity assist to let the particles fall away.

    Maybe they have changed [improved] front their process to better burr the edge. AlanP
    Thanks Alan

    All cabling to the camera is fixed using cable ties, so there should be little opportunity for movement, however I will replace the USB cable with a new one. The current cable was not the one i originally used with my old PL16803 which never had a problem.

    I'll keep my eye open for problems with shavings. My camera is pretty new and hopefully they have solved the problem.

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    Default Re: FLI 8300 RBI and MAXIM

    Well it doesn't matter any more. When I powered up the observatory this morning, I heard the crackle of electricity, a small bang and the smell of roasting electronics.

    The damage so far
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    Mount electronics

    What didn't get damaged ( strangely)
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    FLI PDF focuser

    So, its back to the drawing board



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    Ouch!!!!!! I'm at a loss for words... And that does not happen very often! AlanP

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    I don't like these visits from Mr Murphy
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