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    Default Re: Green Laser Regulations Changed - Are You Aware?



    Well where I live you hear a plane one a month so I use it mainly to show people what we are looking at they love it , but in the north like UK or New York its out
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    Default Re: Green Laser Regulations Changed - Are You Aware?

    An airplane corridor exists over my house so I am not able to use a laser...
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    So, I wonder does this also include flashlights (torches)? They are directed light - and some of them are 1 million candlepower. So campers can't use them anymore too? <sigh> Government at work!
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    Default Re: Green Laser Regulations Changed - Are You Aware?

    A flashlight is not a beam from a laser, besides it is a Canadian policy change.
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    Default Re: Green Laser Regulations Changed - Are You Aware?

    In the US the policy is no intentional pointing lasers at planes. So, if the "star" you're pointing at is blinking and moving against the background you're probably in trouble, otherwise not.
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    According to our Transport Canada rules anyone caught shining a laser pointer at a plane is liable to to a $100,000 fine and up to 5 years in prison. Something serious to think about at my next star party!
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    I was once privileged to enjoy a night at a laser ranging facility. This was in the days when the LAGEOS satellites were used to determine very accurate geographical positions before the advent of GPS. This system could measure the continental drift to figure out how fast the US was moving away from Europe for example.
    The largest expense for the facility was not the laser/telescope/timing instrumentation but for the radar that shut down the laser when an aircraft encroached on the beam.
    I pray that legislation will not mean we all have to have a radar in our eyepiece kit!

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    Default Re: Green Laser Regulations Changed - Are You Aware?

    Just some trivial notes to this thread.

    According to Interpretation 601.14 -

    directed bright light source means any directed light source (coherent or non-coherent), including lasers, that may create a hazard to aviation safety or cause damage to an aircraft or injury to persons on board the aircraft; (source lumineuse dirigée de forte intensité)
    So non-coherent light source such as flashlights and streetlights could theoretically create an hazard to aviation safety would be in violation. Creating lighting that could be confused for an actual runway lighting would be one possible example.

    I am not certain if RASC has done / said anything other than this open letter to Marc Garneau, Minster of Transport back in February 2018. There green laser pointer (GLP) material - policies and education - doesn't appear updates since 2011.

    Quote Originally Posted by yobbo89
    do people use green lasers for demonstration,navigation of stars,if so,how does this work visually,
    Yes, it works by Rayleigh scattering from air molecules and scattering from air-borne particulate. (src RASC Green Laser Pointer poster)

    According to a 2013 Global News article, the number of pilots being "lased" has continued to increase in Canada as tracked by Transport Canada. Namely from 183 in 2010 increasing to 371 incidents in 2012. According to Transport Canada website over 500 incidents were reported in 2016.

    I suspect this growth in incidents prompted Transport Canada to revise regulation to avoid the idea or legal defence that using a merely <= 5mW laser makes it safe because it sounds like a small number, when we are use to typical lamps being measured in 10s of watts for consumer light fixtures.

    That said, I do wonder if Transport Canada has potentially overstepped their jurisdiction in claiming that anyone operating laser outdoors, and/or into space (navigable airspace and/or beyond) must complete a notice of proposal to gain written permission from Transport Canada. They don't have jurisdiction for regulation over electromagnetic waves including visible light, which is by international convention federally regulated within Canada by Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada (ISEDC), formerly Industry Canada. And to claim that any directed bright light visible from navigable airspace is a potential safety hazard until proven otherwise does seem overly broad and alarmist.

    If Hikescdnrckys still wants I can reach out to someone who may be able to help you with the notice of proposal form. I'm not sure if he is aware of the change in regulation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mctaylor View Post

    If Hikescdnrckys still wants I can reach out to someone who may be able to help you with the notice of proposal form. I'm not sure if he is aware of the change in regulation.
    Yes please, any help on filling out the form, which looks like it was developed to be so complex that no one would submit it, would be appreciated. I am aware of the changed regulations which is why is submitted this post originally. Thanks for the links.
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    Default Re: Green Laser Regulations Changed - Are You Aware?

    It appears that Canadian regulations have changed again (June 2018).

    Transport Canada's web site: Use hand-held lasers legally and safely

    Many hand-held lasers are now prohibited: Check yours!
    With some exceptions, it is now illegal to possess a hand-held laser over 1 milliwatt (mW) in public areas within:

    municipalities within the greater Montréal, Toronto and Vancouver regions
    a 10-kilometre radius of any airport and certified heliports
    These regulations appear to go into effect starting June 28, 2018.

    The 10-kilometre radius affects I believe all registered aerodromes (airports) and heliports, which not always as well known, I believe including at hospitals or private corporate heliports, so many towns are likely affected, so check the maps.

    Transport Canada appears to require written approval for all green laser outdoor usage still.

 

 
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