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    Actually, long story short, I returned the nikon's, because an eyepiece fell off. They are glued on. Yuck. I supposed it may have been heat from a shipping truck or something, but nonetheless, that seems cheap to me. Who says they will never come off agin for sun exposure? They feel decent otherwise, but I wouldn't risk that happening again personally.
    So, ultimately I believe the Pentax are better still better overall quality, as I know they don't use glue for the eyepieces. They did feel a little sturdier too than the nikons. But assuming your eyepiece doesn't fall off the nikons 'feel' pretty sturdy, and I would say I'd probably like them better overall still than the pentax if the eyepieces weren't glued. Primarily because they just seem easier to use.

    After more research, I found that the bushnell excursion ex feel amazing and work extremely well, however for equivelant or better optical quality than the pentax and nikon, I'm considering the bushnell legend ultra hd 10x42. These are roof prism and seem much better in every regard than the others. Even though they are only (comparatively) 42mm objective lenses, the field of view is much better than most and the higher quality optics are supposed to be excellent for light gathering, etc. (ed glass, coatings, etc.)

    I compared the excursion ex to the nikon directly at a store. Although this doesn't exactly speak for night quality, they were 'almost' identical in average daylight. The nikons were a tad more vibrant, however I was comparing 8x excursions to 12x nikon. Even so, they were vey close in quality. The nikons more vibrant, the excursion ex a little clearer. The 8x wasn't much different than the nikon 12x.

    Anyhow, back to the issue with my eyes, I tried the nikon monarchs and they were just horrible. The optical quality seemed good when I wasn't seeing blackout. But it was almost constant blackout at every setting. When I put the bushnell to my eyes they were simply perfect in every way, and the grip is amazing as well. The body feels great and sturdy. Reviews tend to favor the legends very well and the optical quality is supposed to be better, even though I'd be happy with the excursion ex if they're as good as i think they will be at night.

    The main difference is normally $100 or so more for the legend, however online there is a $50 rebate on the legend, and they also offer a one year full-money back return for ANY reason with no question asked, because they supposedly think you will be fully satisfied. Sounds like a pretty good deal. I'm hesitant to buy any more binoculars online without trying them first, but nowhere within 100 miles sells anything but the excursion, nikon or worse in store. Unfortunately the excursion ex in store here are the price of the legend online. The legend are backordered till august, so I have a little time to think. Any ideas? Anyone been able to use these?
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    ~Sean
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    Very nice review. Thank you.
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    Default Celestron 15x70; 12x50 reflections

    I was leaning to the purchase of a Celestron 15x70 until going over the reviews - good and bad. While the price is attractive, the problem I have is getting it right the first time (as best as possible).

    Living abroad, if there are problems as reported (e.g., collimation, weak tripod socket or more), my ability to return the product on warranty for repair is limited.

    This said, I am back to considering a quality product such as the Pentax PCF or Nikon Action EX 12x50 for viewing. On the other hand, my heart (not my head) is saying go with the low cost Celestron.

    Thoughts and suggestions will be appreciated.

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    Unfortunately, I believe problems may occur with any brand. I have to be honest, I have looked at a few different binocular brands and tried what is available in every store locally. At least 6 of the 10 binoculars I looked at in store were either out of alignment or collimated poorly. I would guess this is because they are banged around during shipping or because of poor quality control from the company, but being brands like nikon, pentax and bushnell, I would assume it is more shipping or bad handling. But these are just theories.

    Luckily, however, I just got my newest pair of aligned and collimated bushnell legend ultra hd 10x42 the other day and had a chance to try them a bit today as well as tonight with the moon. All I can say is that they are spectacular. Better than the nikon and pentax I've seen. The are roughly on par with the overal quality of the pentax optics, although a tad sharper and more vibrant, however this is very difficult to say with any merit, as I can't compare them side by side.

    However, they are truly spectacular for the price. I paid $300 on amazon.com and there is a $50 rebate at the moment. They also currently have a one year "for any reason" guarantee or your money back.

    What I like about these more than the pentax and nikon:
    1) They are smaller and lighter
    2) They focus as close as roughly 6 feet!! (as opposed to typically 20 or higher for most porro prisms)
    3) MUCH better case, lens covers, etc. are included
    4) The 'feel' of holding them is simply phenomenal
    5) They seem to be much more flexible in terms of eye blackout, placement than most

    I will post another detailed review sometime soon. At $250 after rebate, I would absolutely recommend these over the other so far. I haven't tested them for stargazing, but from the difference I've seen so far I can't imagine they'd be anything but as good. I'll keep you posted!
    ~Sean
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    Much thanks - After hours of reading I too believe there is much to be said about going the route of a good pair of 10X42 even with a tripod.

    On the basis of the information available, I am considering the Zen Ray ZRS (10X42) that has extra light gathering capabilty as a result of the lens coatings.

    I look forward to your next review.

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    OK. This review is coming as soon as I have some time to really sit down with these things. I am extremely impressed. I can't express how insanely awesome the moon looks with these binoculars. The pentax and nikon were decent. But these exhibit an even silkier smoothness while being ultra crisp. They live up to the "ultra hd" in the model name. The skies are somewhat clear tonight with wispy clouds floating by about 30% of the sky. I clearly remember (i think i even posted drawings) what the whirpool galaxy nebula m51 looked like in the nikon 12x50. Read that again 12x50. lol

    These are 10x42, and I was instantly able to find m51 without averted vision. Don't get me wrong, it is still a diffuse blob of barely visible grey. But these seem to have better contrast. The nikons brought in a lot of light and the background appeared dark grey. These seem to bring in the same light, at least in terms of me seeing m51 (in worse conditions I might add). I can only assume it's the ed glass and coatings making up for the objective lens size. Anyhow, with these the background is darker, while still being as bright with the stars. So more contrast.

    The results is some awesome looking stars. I see the color more clearly of certain stars and there is much less chromatic aberration in these than the other two I've had. I didn't notice any on the moon. I didn't "look" for it, because i was so impressed with the sight, but I'm sure there is some, however I consider it pretty good if I don't notice it.

    There is some distortion at the edge of the fov, but these have a much wider fov, so I find they allow you to see more while the same amount of center content is clear (i think that made sense) :-p The starts I viewed were pinpoint crisp and I just got a better sense of "looking into space" with these. Like there was more depth (probably the contrast). I''ll do more thorough testing and post the review soon. As for now I will just say I am so unbelievably happy I found a binocular this quality that works well for me. No more searching!
    ~Sean
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    Default Update - 10x42

    After months of narrowing down possibilities I am getting close to purchasing a pair of 10x42.

    Any additional thoughts about the Bushnell Legend Ultra 10x42... Zen Ray or other in that price range will be appreciated.

    Does the Zen Ray dielectric coating make that much of a difference?

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    Those look nice as well. I was checking them out and I found this right on their site:
    Zen-Ray: Charles Optics Talk

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    By CharlesNo Comments Binoculars Talk
    The result of Outdoor Life 2010 Optics Test is out. Our new 2010 edition VISTA 10×42 was ranked #6 out of 15 in optics performance in full size binoculars category.
    The editor’s conclusion? “There’s a lot of value in this basic roof-prism binoculars”
    here is the list
    #1 Swarovision 10×42 $2754
    #2 Weaver Super Slam 10.5×45 $1114
    #3 Zeiss Conquest 10×56 $1499
    #4 Bushnell Ultra-HD $300
    #5 Vortex Viper R/T 10×50, $680
    #6 Zen-Ray VISTA 10×42, $139
    #7 Pentax DCF CS 8×42, $279
    .....
    "
    Both brands seem to have some good 10x42. The bushnell are right under the zeiss! I've seen the zeiss, and they are nice (no dr. suess intended). The zen-ray vista are right up there on the list and even cheaper.

    I can truly say the ultra had are a bargain in their class of optics. I wouldn't go back to the 10x50 or 12x50 porro prisms after using these. Cheaper by half, but I personally consider the $300 worth the difference for the overall benefits. I came into this with a strict cap of $200 haha. but after all I went through, the $100 or so ultimately seemed like a small amount to pay to get such a great pair.
    And don't be fooled by the cheap bushnells. I used a pair of 16x50 and 7x35 binos by bushnell. Both were good for the cheap price, but definitely were not in the realm of high quality optics or build. I took a chance that these would be far superior, and I have been pleasantly suprised. I'd say most roofs over $300 will be similar. But these puppies feel just as good as they look for me.
    ~Sean
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    by the way. i'm just waiting for clear skies here to do some more testing before reviewing. ironically the week I get them it is cloudy for 5 days or more! ridiculous...
    ~Sean
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    Quote Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
    I wouldn't go back to the 10x50 or 12x50 porro prisms after using these. Cheaper by half, but I personally consider the $300 worth the difference for the overall benefits.
    I've read that porro prisms are better than similarly priced roof prisms, for astronomy, because pps use less glass and you get a brighter image. Apparently it makes little difference in the day, when using them for birdwatching etc., because it's light but at night it could mean the difference between seeing a dim object or not.

    I've no idea how true this is though, I only use pps myself, so I suppose you'll find out when you test them at night.

    These prisms come in two varieties: roof and porro. Roof-prism models have straight barrels and are more compact. However, they tend to be more expensive and produce slightly dimmer images, making them less desirable for astronomical pursuits.
    Astronomy.com - Using binoculars
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