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    Default Need advice for Santa



    I need some advice on a Christmas gift. I own a pair of Skymaster 15 x 70s and Nikon Action EX 8x40s and am looking to expand my stargazing arsenal so to speak. I have narrowed the field to two. The Oberwerk 25x100 deluxe IF which is $484 delivered and the Celestron echelon 20 x 70 for $628. The echelon is available now through Optics Planet and the Obie is back-ordered until the end of the month.

    The logical choice seems to be the Obie since it is cheaper and fills a niche I don't already have covered by another pair. But my question is how does the quality compare? What would your choice be if you were me?

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    Default Re: Need advice for Santa

    Lucky you, nice "problem" to have! I was not familiar with the Celestron Echelon line. They do look like an excellent choice; it says they are assembled in the US by "skilled technicians" which would seem to suggest that they would come perfectly collimated. The optical quality looks good, and I love the heavy-duty waterproof case (I have always had a weakness for Pelican-style cases...)

    But as you suggest, they are not significantly different in terms of aperture and magnification from what you already have, the 15 x 70s. The Oberwerks do add significantly to your lineup, and I have never heard of anyone who was not happy with the Oberwerks 25 x 100s, both in terms of optics and overall quality. Since these are to be a Christmas item, the end-of-November back order on the IFs shouldn't be a problem, but I'd get on it right away.

    Unless someone has compared the two models and chimes in to say that the Echelons provide a clear advantage in optical quality, I would definitely get the Obies.
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    Default Re: Need advice for Santa

    Oberwerk 25x100s all the way!! But you will NEED a parallel mount for them. They quickly became my most used instrument by FAR.
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    Default Re: Need advice for Santa

    Another vote for the obies. Great glass.
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    Default Re: Need advice for Santa

    Hello Jason,

    I can't speak for the 20x70 Echelon, which is a bit overpowered, and I don't have it.
    The 25x100 IF deluxe are something for one's life. I have their older version 25x100 FB, also IF,
    and here is my last observing report, The Golden November Binoculars Observing Session

    Hoping this helps,

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    Default Re: Need advice for Santa

    A whole-hearted thanks for all the replies. Happy Thanksgiving. Just one note. I don't have a parallel mount. I do have a solid tripod that I was hoping to get by with FTTB. Will a standard tripod do for now?
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    The tripod will need to be fairly robust as the binos weigh about 11lbs. A pan head will not allow you to see above about 45-50 degrees above the horizon. For the difference in cost between the Oberwerks and the Echelons, you can just about buy a parallel mount, but do not consider Orion's smaller parallel mount (they sell two different ones) as it will NOT hold the 25x100s. I use a Farpoint parallel mount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozman13 View Post
    The tripod will need to be fairly robust as the binos weigh about 11lbs. A pan head will not allow you to see above about 45-50 degrees above the horizon. For the difference in cost between the Oberwerks and the Echelons, you can just about buy a parallel mount, but do not consider Orion's smaller parallel mount (they sell two different ones) as it will NOT hold the 25x100s. I use a Farpoint parallel mount.
    Thanks for the advice. The parallel mount will require another tripod too I suppose. What tripod do you have?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasony145 View Post
    Thanks for the advice. The parallel mount will require another tripod too I suppose. What tripod do you have?
    https://www.adorama.com/svppb.html

    It is the same as the Orion Paragon Plus XHD Extra Heavy Duty Tripod at a lower cost. The Adorama tripod in the link does not come with a pan head. The Orion one does, and it is a good pan head (my friend has the pan head), but I have no need of it and saved the cash by buying from Adorama. The tripod and parallel mount fit in my oversized tripod bag to sling over my shoulder if I need to hike a long distance with the binoculars.
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    Default Re: Need advice for Santa

    Hello Jason,

    the parallelo is the most comfortable mount for the binoculars, as Oz posted above.

    I am quite satisfied using the old tripod with the central retractable column, and when looking towards zenit, then I am using the tripod like bipod.
    The height adjustable central column, and a good qulity Linhof)* pan head make the difference, see the attached pic.

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