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    Default 15x70 binoculars - please help me decide



    I am looking for a binocular to start with amateur astronomy, and after checking several options I am kind of torn between these two:

    TS 15x70 LE at 99 EUR: Teleskop-Express: TS 15x70 Porro Binoculars - LE Series - for low light conditions
    TS 15x70 MX Marine (aka Oberwerk Ultra) at 429 EUR: Teleskop-Express: TS 15 x 70 MARINE - Outdoor - Weitwinkel - Stickstoff gefllt

    According to specifications both of them have BAK-4 prisms, and multicoating (the cheaper is fully-broadband). The MX Marine seems much more massive (weighs double compared to the other and has Nitrogen filling). The question is that in terms of optical performance are these the same (or near the same), so you only pay more (much more) for the robustness? Both of them is within budget but I wouldn't spend 4x times more for the rugged design only. Any opinion or experience with these models?

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    Default Re: 15x70 binoculars - please help me decide

    I don't have the "Marine series", but do have a pair of Oberwerk 15 x 70's that I love on a heavy duty monopod. Very good quality.

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    Default Re: 15x70 binoculars - please help me decide

    Hello Istvan,

    the 15x70 Marines from Teleskop Express are fully broad-band multicoated binoculars with high transmission (above 92%). They come from the BA8 Series manufactured by United Optics in Kunming, China.
    I have their little brother, the 10.5x70, and their bigger brother, the 15x85, and love them.

    If the price is o.k. for you, then go for the 15x70 Marines (they are lighter than the bigger 15x85), and these 15x70 are from my point of view better than the much more expensive Fujinon 16x70, both regarding the CA suppression, and the observing comfort (eye relief).

    There is also a review here Astro-Physics Inc.

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    PS: I'll be again for winter skiing in Silvaplana in January, and will have some binoculars for the clear swiss night skies with me.
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    Default Re: 15x70 binoculars - please help me decide

    I am willing to pay more if the quality justifies the cost (it seems it does) and also this is a long term investment. Interesting, that I've found the same model cheaper under different label APM (Link) do you know if these are the same quality?

    I've never been to Silvaplana, though it's only 2 hours drive from my place. And for the clear swiss skies I don't see them to often unfortunately, I live in lakeside Zurich which is pretty in daytime but quite light polluted at night. There is a low LP spot nearby, about 600m higher in altitude facing south to the Alps range, which I usually climb by bike (weather permitting) so that why I ruled out bigger binos at the first place.

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    Default Re: 15x70 binoculars - please help me decide

    Hello Istvan,

    yes, the APM 15x70, as in the link, are the same.
    So are the Helios Apollo Helios Binoculars Apollo 15x70 - Binoculars or telescope - Lowest price, specs and reviews
    and so are the Kepler MS Deluxe Jumelles Kepler MS

    You can ask for the best price Garantie at TS, they often cooperate.

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    Default Re: 15x70 binoculars - please help me decide

    Quote Originally Posted by Stalkr3 View Post
    I am looking for a binocular to start with amateur astronomy, and after checking several options I am kind of torn between these two:

    TS 15x70 LE at 99 EUR: Teleskop-Express: TS 15x70 Porro Binoculars - LE Series - for low light conditions
    TS 15x70 MX Marine (aka Oberwerk Ultra) at 429 EUR: Teleskop-Express: TS 15 x 70 MARINE - Outdoor - Weitwinkel - Stickstoff gefllt

    According to specifications both of them have BAK-4 prisms, and multicoating (the cheaper is fully-broadband). The MX Marine seems much more massive (weighs double compared to the other and has Nitrogen filling). The question is that in terms of optical performance are these the same (or near the same), so you only pay more (much more) for the robustness? Both of them is within budget but I wouldn't spend 4x times more for the rugged design only. Any opinion or experience with these models?

    Thanks
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    My contribution here will be to suggest you also consider a lower magnification binocular as a companion. You can pick up fairly inexpensive 7X50 or 10X50 binoculars as companions to your 15X70s.

    Why?

    15X70s can be hand held but for most of us there is quite a bit of shake in the image. It is the 15X that is the culprit here. The higher the magnification the more noticeable is the hand shake. For viewing for a few seconds hand held may be OK, but for extended use plan to put those 15X70s on a tripod.

    For hand held use 7X50s or 10X50s are the way to go. Light, wider field of view, less jiggle. You can get acceptable ?X50s for under $50. Having both will be a great asset. I have 10X50s and 15X70s and the 10X50s get more sky time than anything else in the equipment box.

    Other resources that may be of interest.

    BINOCULARS

    Introduction to Binoculars for Star Gazing
    Seeing targets in Taurus
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    Binocular Sky – Binocular astronomy
    http://binocularsky.com/

    How to hold binoculars
    http://binocularsky.com/binoc_hold.php

    Top 10 binocular Targets
    http://www.astronomysource.com/2012/...omy-beginners/

    Binocular Universe Newsletter
    http://www.cloudynights.com/page/art...ular-universe/
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    Default Re: 15x70 binoculars - please help me decide

    Thanks guys for the useful information,

    In fact I've already got a 8x40 Olympus DPSI, which I bought for hiking, nice little binocular. I felt the 10x50 a too small step from here and the 20x80 a too big, that leaves the 15x70 a good choice. At least that's what I hope

    To be honest I've had hard times even the 8x40 hold steady, which was strange because I'm in good shape, but just turned out that I hold it the wrong way (first picture under your link). For the 17x50 i will definitely get a tripod.

    JG, I thing I'll go for the APM as it seems to be the cheapest version (although I might ask TS if they can drop the price). Furthermore they deduct the German VAT and add the Swiss VAT (which is less) so I can get for about 300 EUR.

    Thanks again,
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    Default Re: 15x70 binoculars - please help me decide

    Quote Originally Posted by j.gardavsky View Post
    Hello Istvan,

    the 15x70 Marines from Teleskop Express are fully broad-band multicoated binoculars with high transmission (above 92%). They come from the BA8 Series manufactured by United Optics in Kunming, China.
    I have their little brother, the 10.5x70, and their bigger brother, the 15x85, and love them.

    If the price is o.k. for you, then go for the 15x70 Marines (they are lighter than the bigger 15x85), and these 15x70 are from my point of view better than the much more expensive Fujinon 16x70, both regarding the CA suppression, and the observing comfort (eye relief).

    There is also a review here Astro-Physics Inc.

    Best,

    JG

    PS: I'll be again for winter skiing in Silvaplana in January, and will have some binoculars for the clear swiss night skies with me.
    I'm a little surprised you would say that about the Fujinon's, JG.
    Don't they usually rate pretty well in terms of having low CA?

 

 

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