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    Default Re: Celestron SkyMaster 12x60 Binoculars



    Quote Originally Posted by j.gardavsky View Post
    Hello Tasdisr,

    on your place, I'd drive to Oberwerk and look around at their shop. First of all, you can try out several binoculars, and second you may find some treasures, not included on their web page.

    I also used to go to the Teleskop Service shop in Germany, discovered some treasures, and tried out the binoculars out of several pieces untill I have believed to find the best one.

    Good luck, and let us know how you'll be doing,

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    That sounds like a good idea. I would rather spend a little more and get a pair of binoculars I like. I may up my budget to around $150.00 and take a look at both the 12x60 and 11x70 lightweight series. Plus I can check to see if as you said see if they have any hidden treasures.

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    Default Re: Celestron SkyMaster 12x60 Binoculars

    Hello Tasdisr,

    that's the right approach, choose binoculars you'll keep and love over decades.

    Best luck, and once again, let us know how you have been successful, we are all learning one from another,

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    I'll second JG's suggestion to visit the store if you can... There really is no substitute for trying out various models and seeing which ones suit you. While you're unlikely to find something terrible as long as you stay away from brightly coloured lenses, there are quite big differences in view and handling between different models, which can make a big difference in how nice they are to use... When I was looking for some binoculars for birdwatching, I tried several out and ended up going for a different model than I'd originally planned - and it's always handy to try out the actual binoculars you're buying to make sure they're properly collimated.
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    Default Re: Celestron SkyMaster 12x60 Binoculars

    You need an appointment to go to visit Oberworks, so I made one for this coming Thursday. Hopefully I will be coming home with a new pair of binoculars!
    I did notice on Oberworks site that they have acquired the assets of Garrett Optical.

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    Default Re: Celestron SkyMaster 12x60 Binoculars

    Be aware that a lot of people will struggle to hold a 12x mag binocular really steady. Don't forget to try out lower power as well - you may well find that you can keep them noticeably steadier and be rewarded with a wider field of view. Unfortunately the steadyness thing seems more apparent when observing stars at night rather than during day time viewing.
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    Default Re: Celestron SkyMaster 12x60 Binoculars

    I did not notice any difference between the steadiness of holding a 7x35 vs a 10x50. I doubt a 12x would be any different. I did however notice a lot of shake at 30x, by at least 10% of my field of view. A 12x60 should show dimmer stars, but you will be zoomed in more and thus probably not notice the difference. The main reason I don't buy a 12x or higher is the FOV is too narrow, so I'd get lost in a sea of stars. I need to fit at least two major stars in the FOV so I can identify them by their orientation to each other. My WA 10x just fits the main triangle of Cassiopeia in its FOV. I'll have a 12x later when I fabricate my own ultrawide angle 12x binocular some day. If you use a tripod, go for the 70mm.

    I have read that others who owned both the 10x50 and 12x60 preferred the 12x60, if they could hold it steady.

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    Default Re: Celestron SkyMaster 12x60 Binoculars

    The two main binoculars I want to check out when I visit Oberwerks next week are the 11x56 with a 6 field of view and a 5mm exit pupil and the 12x60 which has a 5.7 field of view and a 5mm exit pupil. I may take a look at the 9x60 which has a field of view of 5.5 and exit pupil of 6.6mm. Exit pupil distances are 19mm, 14mm & 16mm respectively.

    The more I read on binoculars I think I need to keep in mind my age (60), the field of view, exit pupil and exit pupil distance. Hopefully I will also get some good advice from the staff at Oberwerks.
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    Default Re: Celestron SkyMaster 12x60 Binoculars

    Quote Originally Posted by tasdisr View Post
    . Eye relief? distances are 19mm, 14mm & 16mm respectively.

    The more I read on binoculars I think I need to keep in mind my age (60), the field of view, exit pupil and exit pupil distance. Hopefully I will also get some good advice from the staff at Oberwerks.
    Although as you age your pupil tends not to dilate so much, in my own opinion, i think that having larger exit pupils just makes them a little easier to use - as who can tell if they have aligned their own pupil perfectly with the exit pupil of the binocular so i would not get too hung up on wasted exit pupil space.

    I think you are doing the right thing to actually go and handle them yourself rather than buying purely on other people's opinions and specifications. I suspect that once you have tried them out one pair will just feel so much better and comfortable to you
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    Default Re: Celestron SkyMaster 12x60 Binoculars

    Quote Originally Posted by pushrod View Post
    Although as you age your pupil tends not to dilate so much, in my own opinion, i think that having larger exit pupils just makes them a little easier to use - as who can tell if they have aligned their own pupil perfectly with the exit pupil of the binocular so i would not get too hung up on wasted exit pupil space.
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    That, about the larger exit pupils is perfectly true!

    Thanks for pointing to it,

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    Default Re: Celestron SkyMaster 12x60 Binoculars

    About exit pupils:
    My 10x50 has a 4.2mm exit pupil. Images at night look as bright or brighter than without binoculars, indicating that my pupils are not opened up 4.2mm at the in town observatory. If you get a 9x60 binocular, it will be brighter at a dark sky site, but no where else, and only on extended dim objects. Stars will look the same brightness, though closer together.

    For daytime use, Jupiter moon use, and many other uses except nebula use, I would recommend a 5mm binocular. A 7mm binocular is more challenging to fabricate to the same optical standards than a 5mm, and has a lower magnification and smaller AFOV and smaller FOV. I still want to look through one to see for myself, but I no longer have them high on my list.

    There is a state park with an observatory where I can look through some 100mm binoculars. I plan to do so. I also know someone with 15x70 and 7x50 binoculars. And I have 10x50 and 7x35. I plan to car pool with that person to the park and look through all 5 side by side.

    If you stand in a normal suburban backyard with a 10x50 and a 7x50, and look at one star, I suspect it will look much brighter through the 10x50, because you are using the full exit pupil, and thus getting use of the full aperture. If you look at a person or other large object, they will look equally bright, but the 7x will show the view smaller. You have to be at a dark site before the 7x50 will look brighter. At that point, there is a trade off between a brighter smaller image vs dimmer larger image. The winner will depend on the target, and only for very dim, diffuse large targets will the 7x50 be better.

 

 
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