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    Hi, I have some Visionary 12x60 Binos which are available in UK for under £100. Great combination of power and brightness - and not over large. I suspect they are of similar origin to Celestron as they appear very similar in construction. I have no means of comaring them to Pentax binos which others seem to be happy with. However the optics are good and for looking at open clusters like the Pleiades they give a brilliant view. Tripod is a must though (easy to mount with a bracket). First used them without - quite shaky. Tripod transformed them. I have a 130 Newt. but still find the binoculars really useful.
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    I decide to order the garrett 11x56. I actually did it around 2 weeks ago, but soon after I received an email saying that they didn't have that binoculars in stock (they offered me the 12x60 for the same price). Since they told me it would arrive in 1-2 weeks, I decided to wait. However, I'm still waiting after more than 2 weeks.
    Thus, I decide to ask them to send me the 12x60. I was told that, for some reason, my email did not get added to their backorder update list and it will take a few more weeks for the 11x56 to arrive.
    I'm quiet disappointed with their service, but hopefully the 12x60 binoculars will come in good shape and with "perfect" collimation.
    I'll let you know what happens.

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    Finally, the 12x60 arrived. My first impression was better than expected, but the forecast is terrible here and I'm not going to star test it anytime soon.
    I like the " hand fell" and collimation seems to be good, as far as I can tell in daylight. For sure collimation is better than the pentax I received (I'm not saying these binoculars are better than the pentax).

    I'll be back with more details as soon as I've clear skies.

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    Hello rsousa,

    congrats to your binoculars, and clear skies

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    Hello again. To make it short, I didn't like the quality of the garrett gemini lw and returned it. Then, I ordered the nikon AE 12x50 from BH (they came with a $25 gift card) and tonight I was able to test them. I'm really happy! I could easily find M13 but could not see M51.

    I must say that if you plan to use it exclusively handheld, 12x may be too much. It is ok to scan the sky, but a tripod is welcome if you really want to see details.

    Comparing to the Pentax, the nikon have a wider FOV and I loved this. The pentax were too narrow, but if that's not a problem for you, I would recommend them instead of the nikon. They seem to be better build and I think (can't say for sure) they have better contrast. However, I prefer to have wider FOV of the nikon ae.

    Thank you all for the advices!

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    I haven't tried the AE 12x50s but I have a pair of AE 10x50s that are the best binos I have ever used, awesome views. Sorry you had an issue with the Pentax ones, I have heard good things about them. Glad you got a pair that suit you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsousa View Post
    I could easily find M13 but could not see M51.
    I am not surprised that you couldn't see M51 if you are observing from Boston. Since it is a face-on spiral, it's light is spread out a bit, and has a surface brightness of about 13.1. Your light pollution would cause M51 to just fade into the glow. I was able to see it's core and the core of it's partner, NGC 5195, in 15x70s from what I would judge to be Bortle 3 to 4 skies.
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    If your viewing from light polluted skies, try the Astronomical League's Deep Sky Binocular Program. A lot of open clusters. Many I needed my 15x70s from a fairly dark site, but quite a few would be visible. Much of the fun is in finding them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markan View Post
    Much of the fun is in finding them.
    That is exactly right. Going minimalist and chasing down DSOs with binoculars for the thrill of proving to yourself you can find them. Obviously for a great number of them you're not going to pull down much, if any, discernible detail, but the fun is in the finding. It is an excellent way to challenge your observing skills.
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    With dark skies you can locate over half the Messier objects with a good pair of 10X50 binoculars. With a larger pair you might get most of them. I normally use a pair of 12X60's, but I am starting to miss my old 10X50's. The 12X60's offer slightly better views, but they are a little heavier and I'm always afraid I'm going to drop them and knock them out of culmination. My old 10X50's were light weight and built like a tank. Recently I've been going back and forth between them.
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