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    lol knowing my luck I will have dodgy eyes that will never work with bino's I will go get them and get the guys at work 2 look through them see what they see 1 of the guys is well into his bino's so he should know what I mean if I ask him

    should I maybe advice my friend to buy her fella some bino's like mine that I already have? they were a lot cheaper I only paid £20 for my celestron ones rather then the spotter? he will want to look at the constillations and planets (well if its poss I can see jupiter and moons with mine so I guess he should also see it I am not sure what other planets you can see with bino's as I have only ever found jupiter so far hehe) oh and some of the messier's

    is this the sort of jist of the two?

    spotter good for planets and small fov objects like maybe andromena? and general star finding?
    but not good for larger areas of patterns/clusters like pleaides

    bino's are good for everything, planets and all clusters and messier? oh and finding stars (orion, taurus, gemini and all the others)

    telescope for very close ups, planets and messier

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    Hi Space Lady,

    Hmmm, all good questions. Here's what I think:

    If your friend is interested in star gazing, I would not recommend the spotting scope to start out. I would recommend a binocular, but perhaps not the one you have. I would look for a 10x50, which is a good starter combination. A decent pair of 10x50s and star map is a great start. If your friend still enjoys star gazing after some time, then it would be appropriate to get a small telescope (or a big one...). At any rate, I would stay away from spotting scopes unless you want to also use it for wildlife or landscape work, or you have some spare cash and can get a really nice one.

    In terms of what you will see - binoculars will provide a great 'overall' picture, and will show lots of star fields and Messier objects. A telescope is useful when an object needs more magnification to appreciate it (for example the planets, and smaller deep sky objects like the Ring Nebula). You can see planets with binoculars (except Pluto) but they won't be very fantastic (just bright points for the most part, with/without small accompanying 'dots' for moons). Telescopes and binoculars complement each other - both are great to have in the long run.

    So, to summarize, binoculars are great for learning the sky and providing a nice overall picture. Telescopes are great for 'zooming-in' on a particular object to appreciate more detail. Spotting scopes are best left for terrestrial use.

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    ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh got ya well when he first showed me the spotters he was looking at I told him not 2 bother and to get bino's instead to start out. due to me saying that he didn't buy anything

    well I noticed Lidl have some on offer soon and it is the same as the one above it is £30 (the price above is before I seen the lidl offer lol) so I thought my friend could get that instead of the ones he was looking at for £100 and it had the same spec as the one above but I still said bino's would be better

    well then I got all confused and didn't know which to advise with so I thought well I could buy the spotter see if any good then tell them lol

    I think I will go back to my first answer and advise for some bino's (don't know why I doubted myself in the first place as I always read great threads about bino's and none about spotters lol talk about a answer being right in front of your face haha)

    anyway thanks I will tell her to get some bino's either 10x50 or 20x50 is that correct? any bigger and they will be to heavy wont they and if to small you wont see much?

    ohh my head hurts haha

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    Hi Space Lady,

    The main reason for picking the 10x50s is that you can reasonably hand hold them. A lot of people find it difficult to star gaze with magnification greater than 10x (the first number in the 10x50), as the stars will tend to jump and swim all over the view and make viewing uncomfortable. You also lose a lot of ability to see detail when you hand-hold anything (generally, that is) more than ~10x-12x. Additionally, a lot of magnification (say, more than 10x) will make it difficult to see things in the sky for a beginner as a smaller 'piece' of the sky is being viewed at one particular time. So, I would say, go for 10x50s, and try to stay away (for now anyway) from the complications that come with 20x50s, or anything over 12x50s.

    Of course, I would also suggest not buying binoculars from a department store, and if you can, buy them from a camera/binocular store. That being said, the Lidl (sometimes called Bresser, sometimes called Meade) 10x50s that come up once a year are generally a really good buy for what you get, but you need to make sure you try them out in the store first to see that they are working properly.

    Good luck,

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    yes its a bessier spotter, I was going to get one for myself just because of me closing one eye with bino's I might get it just to see what all 3 do as I have a telescope and bino's

    with you saying that about the wobble I instantly knew what you were on about as I see it in my bino's lol ohhh dear so is that because they are too heavy for my little dainty woman hands lol would a tripod stop this? or is it my eye pupil shaking ?

    ohhh I'm learning so much so fast just from your bits of info gawd I love this site

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Lady View Post
    with you saying that about the wobble I instantly knew what you were on about as I see it in my bino's lol ohhh dear so is that because they are too heavy for my little dainty woman hands lol would a tripod stop this? or is it my eye pupil shaking ?
    It's quite normal to have 'shaky' views when binos are hand-held, especially when they are bulky (say, bigger than 10x50). For example, I own a pair of 15x70s and I can manage to hold them for a while, but it's not very comfortable and you can't enjoy the views very much, compared to attaching them to a tripod.

    I use a pretty standard photo tripod with my binos and the experience is REALLY different.

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    I asked my fella what he see's through the bino's he said the same view as mine two circles I will try and sort that in a min see if I can , I'm waiting for the moon to come out so I can try

    I found a tripod hole at the front of the bino's (I was looking underneath like on a camera lol) I will put my gorilla on it as thats all I have atm and see if its steady thanks for info guys

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    ok how about these I've found

    Praktica W10x50P binocular astronomer's kit (4-pc bino kit)
    This great 4-piece kit contains everything you need to get started in the fascinating and lifelong hobby of astronomy.

    The kit includes: the highly acclaimed Praktica W10x50P night-glass binocular - a superb night-time binocular which is great for day-time use too!

    Includes three essential accessories: binocular astronomy guide book, large fold-out star map, and planisphere star and constellation finder.

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    FOV: 99m at 1000m (5.7 degrees)

    Dims: 190 x 60 x 180mm

    Supplied with soft padded carry-case and neck strap and front and rear dust caps.

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    or this one

    Bresser Cobra 10x50 porro prism binocular - Ex-display
    Includes nylon case and straps.

    Specification:
    Magnification: 10x
    Close focus: 5m
    Brightness: 25.00
    Twilight rate: 22.36
    FOV: 114m @ 1000m,
    Dimensions: 170 x 62 x 200mm
    Superb design and mechanics mark the Cobra out from the competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Lady View Post
    ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh got ya well when he first showed me the spotters he was looking at I told him not 2 bother and to get bino's instead to start out. due to me saying that he didn't buy anything

    well I noticed Lidl have some on offer soon and it is the same as the one above it is £30 (the price above is before I seen the lidl offer lol) so I thought my friend could get that instead of the ones he was looking at for £100 and it had the same spec as the one above but I still said bino's would be better

    well then I got all confused and didn't know which to advise with so I thought well I could buy the spotter see if any good then tell them lol

    I think I will go back to my first answer and advise for some bino's (don't know why I doubted myself in the first place as I always read great threads about bino's and none about spotters lol talk about a answer being right in front of your face haha)

    anyway thanks I will tell her to get some bino's either 10x50 or 20x50 is that correct? any bigger and they will be to heavy wont they and if to small you wont see much?

    ohh my head hurts haha
    Hello Spacelady,

    if it is one of those 20-60x80,
    Bresser Pirsch 20-60 x 80 Spotting Scope Black 4321500
    Lidl cheapy Bresser scope - BirdForum,

    then an 80mm spotting scope will do a better job on the planets, Moon and on some deep sky objects, than most of the cheap binoculars in the sam price range.

    A 100mm spotting scope has been my starter many years ago during the Mars proximity to Earth, the views have been great, the Mars has shown the pole cap and some darker 'continets'. Some other nebulas have been also great to view.

    Small binoculars, like 10x50, are great whenever you have clear skies, and you can see the Milky Way above your head, as a rule in summer and autumn.

    Hoping to have helped you

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