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    Default HUGE Celestron Skymaster Price Differences



    So, I'm traveling down to the US for Christmas, and we'll be staying a couple days in a blue/gray zone in the high Mojave desert. I can't fly my telescope down, but I could bring a pair of binocs. So, now I'm shopping.

    I've been looking at the Skymaster series, especially the 15x70 that seem so popular here. My question is, what's wrong with them? IE, why can I buy the SkyMaster 15x70s for $85 while the SkyMaster 8x56s are $225? According to the specs, both are porro prism binocs, BaK-4 prisms, multicoated, etc. The 8x56s appear more rugged, but what else is different that gets you more aperture at 1/3 the price?
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    I've been asking myself that question for a long time. I wonder if it is quality or marketing. Almost everyone says that you must have a tripod for the 15x70's. The 8X56's look like a possible way to squeeze .00000001% more light out of a hand held set of binos. Fankly, if that were true, I find them tempting.
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    I got a pair of the 15x70's a love them. A tripod is needed and a better tripod adapter unless they've started replacing the plastic pos that comes with them.
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    Maybe it's an advertising gimmick. Maybe they lose $5 on every pair sold but every person that buys a pair turns around and tells 20 people what a great deal they are. How often has that happened here? Good for the brand name {CELESTRON} don't you think?

    Maybe they have a deal with a large company in China that makes ONLY 70mm lenses so they get a super bulk discount on that lens size.

    Who knows. All I know here is that if you own a pair you won't be asking what's wrong with them.
    They're not perfectly aligned and the clarity is not perfect but for $65 they are an amazing deal.

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    I've been think about this. I know the 15X70's are a good deal, but wouldn't they almost need to be a second pair of binos? I carry my 10X50's everywhere. I can lay them down. I can use them with one hand. I sweep the sky with them, while setting in a lawn chair. I toss them in the trunk of the car when I go on trips. I pull the car off to the side of the road and whip them out, when I find a dark sky. When someone else wants to see the night sky, I pull out my laser pointer, hand them the binos and point out things for them to look at. If you have to add a tripod to the binos, wouldn't you almost need to keep a pair of smaller ones for casual use?

    Then the next question is similar. Except for the extra cost, if I was going to add a tripod and 15X70's to my collection, why not just add 20X80's? I know that if I jump to 25X100's, I am probably talking about a more expensive tripod, but what are the advantages of 15X70's over 20X80's, if both are on tripods?

    Finally, if I am going to keep a small pair of 10X50's for casual use and the others need to be on a tripod, what are the advantages of a set of binos over a small travel scope on the tripod, for instance a ST80 or a 90mm MAK?

    I'm not asking about brands here, just sizes in general. I've been running this over in my mind, and can't quite figure it out. Perhaps someone out there who used big binos could help me sort this one out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrkirkham View Post
    I've been think about this. I know the 15X70's are a good deal, but wouldn't they almost need to be a second pair of binos? I carry my 10X50's everywhere. I can lay them down. I can use them with one hand. I sweep the sky with them, while setting in a lawn chair. I toss them in the trunk of the car when I go on trips. I pull the car off to the side of the road and whip them out, when I find a dark sky. When someone else wants to see the night sky, I pull out my laser pointer, hand them the binos and point out things for them to look at. If you have to add a tripod to the binos, wouldn't you almost need to keep a pair of smaller ones for casual use?

    Then the next question is similar. Except for the extra cost, if I was going to add a tripod and 15X70's to my collection, why not just add 20X80's? I know that if I jump to 25X100's, I am probably talking about a more expensive tripod, but what are the advantages of 15X70's over 20X80's, if both are on tripods?

    Finally, if I am going to keep a small pair of 10X50's for casual use and the others need to be on a tripod, what are the advantages of a set of binos over a small travel scope on the tripod, for instance a ST80 or a 90mm MAK?

    I'm not asking about brands here, just sizes in general. I've been running this over in my mind, and can't quite figure it out. Perhaps someone out there who used big binos could help me sort this one out?
    The 10x70's are portable. They're about as heavy as you can get and still be portable. The 20x80's are just over the line imo.
    Yes they are hard to hold extremely still but this is only needed for planets and how much time does one spend looking at planets with binos anyway? For starfields, clusters and galaxies one doesn't need to hold them perfectly still. Imho Saturn and Jupiter are about the only things in the sky that are held back by a shaky hand.
    I have a pair of 10x50's and the 10x70's and I'll take the 10x70's any day. It's worth all the extra light gathering capacity to lose two meager planets.(Anyway you can always lean up against a tree or something)
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    So, a little more digging has found the answer, I think.

    If you take a look at the 8x56 binocs, they do look different than the other SkyMaster models. In fact, they look exactly like the old 8x56 Ultima DX binoculars that Celestron used to carry. They have the same differences as well; multi-coated vs fully multi-coated, water-resistant vs waterproof.

    Maybe Celestron just killed off the Ultima DX line and merged the models into the SkyMaster line, and the 8x56 and 9x63 models actually are quite a bit higher quality.
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