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    Default Need advice on premium 70mm (or higher magnification) premium binocular



    G'Day All,

    By way of a quick introduction, I'm a stargazer based in Sydney, Australia. I'm in the market for a premium 70mm binocular and would greatly appreciate some advice on what would constitute a good buy. My upper limit is AUD1200.

    At present, I am using a long discontinued Pentax PIF 10x50 which I absolutely love. However, I'd like to gaze deeper into the Milky Way and am contemplating a 16×70mm or higher magnification binocular (ideally with multicoated optics and a field flattener).

    The clear stand out is the 18x70mm Nikon Astroluxe but these are rather expensive and difficult to source for a reasonable price outside of Japan. Alternatively, we have the Celestron Echelon 16x70mm and 20×70mm binoculars for which there exist mixed reviews re: build quality and performance.

    Prices locally, speaking candidly, are borderline ludicrous relative to various offshore retailers (Notably BH Photo Video, NY). I'm not averse to an online purchase, but would need some assurance re: warranty issues and the reliability of the retailer.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    Cheers,

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    Default Re: Need advice on premium 70mm (or higher magnification) premium binocular

    I don't know what it would cost to get shipped to you, but these are EXCELLENT!!

    https://oberwerk.com/product/oberwer...ies-10-5x70mm/

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    Default Re: Need advice on premium 70mm (or higher magnification) premium binocular

    I've dealt with B&H for decades and have never had a bad experience, having purchased tens of thousands of dollars worth of camera gear. Regarding warranty, that is manufacturer specific, and there are grey market complexities that arise as well. I've never used their warranty over that entire time. You could open a chat line with sales staff at B&H to discuss details of warranty.

    As far as binoculars go, I've shared big binos in a club, enough to know that I would need a bino support to be able to use them comfortably for more than a few minutes. Very tiring to try and hand hold, especially with anything other than low magnification, and conventional tripods don't serve well for objects directly overhead. Big binos are vulnerable to being bumped out of collimation, though it is possible to repair that kind of injury. I use binoculars all the time, but only 8.5X, hand held.
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    Default Re: Need advice on premium 70mm (or higher magnification) premium binocular

    Hello Gabriel,

    I have the Nikon Astroluxe 10x70,
    10x70 IF Binoculars: Nikon Astroluxe red ring (Japan) against BA8 MS (China)
    and the 18x70 and 10x70 appear from time to time on the 2nd hand markets for well below EUR 800,
    Nikon 10x70 and 18x70 binoculars on the eBay in Germany

    Years ago, I have decided for the BA8 15x85 against the Nikon Astroluxe 18x70 not because of the price difference,
    but I wanted more aperture at the magnification of 15x,
    and the BA8 15x85 have threads for the 1.25" filters on the eye lenses. The BA8 are also more rugged.

    Best,

    JG

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    Default Re: Need advice on premium 70mm (or higher magnification) premium binocular

    Many thanks for your considered advice gentlemen. Much appreciated.

    As a general observation, I've found astronomical equipment (large aperture binoculars included) to be grossly overpriced in Australia relative to the US, Europe and Japan. As stated, however, I'm not averse to an online purchase but there's no substitute for having an instrument in hand in making an informed decision.

    As kindly suggested by Spelunkered, I revisited B&H and noted the Nikon 10x70 as being discontinued and the Nikon 18x70 as 'unavailable'. A pity, as the latter has long been something of a "Holy Grail" as far as I'm concerned. Adorama, also based in New York, has the 18x70 in stock for US1499.95 and the equally coveted Fujinon 16x70 for US1049.95. The latter is similar to ordering a pair via eBay from a Japanese retailer for AUD1450 (inc. shipping).

    Alas ... a brand new Nikon 18x70 is outside my means but the Fujinon 16x70 may be 'doable'. Truth be told, I've been eyeballing both the Nikon and Fujinon 70mm astro binoculars for well over a decade now ... with much the same depth of lust that a 12yo would a Playboy magazine.

    In the interim, I'll have a closer look at Oberwerk. For their price point, they appear to offer exveptional value and after sales service.

    As for Chinese made binoculars, this may appear biased but I've seen a few horror shows with dubious quality control and mediocre optics. The preference is for Japanese, German or American optics.

    J.Gardavsky - that is a truly stunning collection of glass!! Congrats on the Nikon 10x70 specifically. In Australia, the Nikon Astroluxe binos are rarer than hen's teeth.

    Regards,

    G.K.
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    Default Re: Need advice on premium 70mm (or higher magnification) premium binocular

    Hello Gabriel,

    I have had the Fujinons 16x70, and after 1 season of using them, I have sold them.
    Their plus is a very high contrast, so some galaxies out of reach for the 70mm aperture binoculars from China became visible.
    Their minus is the CA, you would normally not accept for their price.
    The second minus is a short eye relief not allowing to mount the nebular filters.

    The Nikon Astroluxe have been expensive during their manufacturing lifetime, and they are still expensive when you find them as the boxed surplus items left on the regals at some vendors'.
    The last offered pairs of Nikon Astroluxe binoculars have been at https://www.ebay.de/str/analog-loung...3&_sop=3&rt=nc

    The Vixen 80mm binoculars are not cheap even if made in China. Their problem is, you will find hardly anybody who can service these binoculars, and the prisms mounts are not sufficiently rugged, as the collimation problems have been reported.

    The 15x60 Zeiss West with the T* multicoatings have been rated as optically the best "fifteen times something" ever made, but again not cheap, as they are still used by the law enforcement cops in Germany, https://www.ebay.de/itm/Zeiss-West-G...IAAOSwBrBbgqNa
    And again, no chance to mount the filters.

    For myself and even if I am pretty choosy, I am very happy with the BA8 15x85 (Kunming Optical China), which have revealed some "exotic" nebulae from the Sh-2, LBN, vdB catalogs, not reported by other binocular freaks.

    Should I come across the Astroluxe, I can let you know,

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    Default Re: Need advice on premium 70mm (or higher magnification) premium binocular

    Cheers JG.

    I appreciate the candid commentary on the Fujinon 16x70 binos. Re: the Nikon 10/18x70s, I'm somewhat confused at whether ALL iterations are referred to as being part of the "Astroluxe" line or merely a specific make/model/year.

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    Default Re: Need advice on premium 70mm (or higher magnification) premium binocular

    Hello Gabriel,

    the Nikon Astroluxe are highly regarded and looked after, binoculars.
    As I have checked right now, the still new ones (from surplus) have now emerged in quite a number https://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich...-wf-nikon.html , I am a bit surprized.

    On the other hand, I am not sure if I would buy them for as much money, as at the Analog Lounge the pre-owned pair has been available for less than 800 EUR, and I have let them pass.

    Back to the BA8 from Kunming. This series of the Porro binoculars is manufactured under the military specifications, so they differ quite a lot from the others from China.
    15x70: https://oberwerk.com/product/oberwer...ies-10-5x70mm/
    I can't see the 15x85 at Oberwerk, but they are still available from Munich (Germany)
    15x85: https://www.teleskop-express.de/shop...miarmiert.html

    Best,

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    Default Re: Need advice on premium 70mm (or higher magnification) premium binocular

    Thanks for your post JG.

    I've had an opportunity to research the BA8 from Kunming Optical and, if correct, understand the Orion Resolux 15x70 to be a version of the same. Mechanically, they may not be on par with Oberwerk but are available in Australia (i.e. locally for AUD799). This is a lot more than the US RRP of approx US379 but does have the benefit of local warranty/support.

    Alternatively, I've come across a US business with the name Scope City that appears to have the Fujinon 16x70 listed on sale for $712.99. This strikes me as an exceptional price given that this binocular normally retails for US1050 at both B&H and Adorama.

    I've had some difficulty in contacting Scope City by phone and they have not responded to my emails. Their website does not allow for offshore orders so I'll need to speak to a sales assistant re: their warranty, coverage and policy for facilitating payment via either PayPal or money transfer.

    It's a little sketchy, but they appear to be a legitimate business with sound reviews. Just hope someone makes contact before the last remaining pair is snatched up.

    Cheers,

    G.K.

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    Default Re: Need advice on premium 70mm (or higher magnification) premium binocular

    Dear God ...

    I jumped the gun on Scope City. It turns out that whilst their website still appears as active, the business closed down quite a few years back. To say I am disappointed would be an understatement. Think I'll go back to trawling Amazon Japan or otherwise vetting Japanese retailers on eBay.

    Having given the subject a lot of thought, it'll likely be a toss up between the Fujinon 16x70 or Nikon 18x70. A Japanese retailers has listed a new Nikon 18x70 for approx AUD$1400 brand new on Amazon. This is an exceptional price but, once again, I'm waiting on them to respond to me enquiries.

    Cheers,

    GK

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