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    Default Re: Big Bang theory v. Continuous Creation theory



    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert Thornton View Post
    I find it hard to grasp the concept that space occupied by something that is itself infinitely large can expand any further. I suppose that the answer to that is that space clearly is expanding because we can see it doing so! (Maybe we can look at it instead not as space “expanding” but as the stuff in space “shrinking”?) But in either case, does that mean that the extremely dense “stuff” can’t have the character of infinite largeness and must therefore have finite size?
    No, it does not mean that at all. There is no boundary around space, so there is nothing preventing it from expanding. Whether it is occupied by matter or not, there is no edge to confine it. That's what infinite means.

    You are having trouble grasping the concept of infinity. That is normal. Infinity is outside the human experience, so we cannot grasp it intuitively. It is best grasped mathematically, where it is well-understood.

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    Default Re: Big Bang theory v. Continuous Creation theory

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    No, it does not mean that at all. There is no boundary around space, so there is nothing preventing it from expanding. Whether it is occupied by matter or not, there is no edge to confine it. That's what infinite means.

    You are having trouble grasping the concept of infinity. That is normal. Infinity is outside the human experience, so we cannot grasp it intuitively. It is best grasped mathematically, where it is well-understood.
    Yes. Infinite space has no boundary so expansion simply means that the distances among "surveying points" within it can increase. Since there is no boundary all those distances can increase indefinitely.

    I suspect that folks are stubborn about it because they want "continuous creation". But detection of the cosmic microwave background shows that in the past the universe was much denser and hotter so continuous creation ideas are falsified by observation. The CMB tells us that the infinite universe has expanded by a factor of about 1000 since the CMB was emitted. So the distances among any markers have increased by a factor of 1000. Since an infinite universe can grow by a factor of a 1000 and still be infinite, it is accommodated with ease.

    In a steady state universe with continuous creation (Fred Hoyle) there is NO cosmic microwave background.
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    Default Re: Big Bang theory v. Continuous Creation theory

    In a steady state universe there would be galaxies of all ages, instead of the upper limit that we actually see. Also, deep images by Hubble show that the universe looked very different in the distant past, which also contradicts Steady State.

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    Default Re: Big Bang theory v. Continuous Creation theory

    I think I now grasp the argument/phenomenon that refutes the Steady State theory but it makes me ask - is the Steady State theory entirely separate & different from the theory of Continuous Creation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert Thornton View Post
    I think I now grasp the argument/phenomenon that refutes the Steady State theory but it makes me ask - is the Steady State theory entirely separate & different from the theory of Continuous Creation?
    No it's not separate. They're joined at the hip. Steady State needs Continuous Creation to maintain the average density of the universe over time. Since observation tells us that the density has been decreasing there's no need for either.
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    Default Re: Big Bang theory v. Continuous Creation theory

    Greetings to everybody. I am new on this forum.
    What you think about the Immaterial Information Universe ? It works like a computer game. The computer program is just a whole universe for the figure of the game. There is not a boundary for such an universe though it is in a small disc. You can construct the infinities in the limited disc. It is a mathematics case only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by czes View Post
    Greetings to everybody. I am new on this forum.
    What you think about the Immaterial Information Universe ? It works like a computer game. The computer program is just a whole universe for the figure of the game. There is not a boundary for such an universe though it is in a small disc. You can construct the infinities in the limited disc. It is a mathematics case only.
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    What prediction does this idea make? Without a prediction to test it's completely irrelevant.

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    There is a model of the immaterial Iinformation Universe developed last years. It is like a computer game. It is in a limited computer but for the figure (observer) inside it is always unlimited Universe. It depends on the used mathematics. The figure is always inside this Universe. It can't reach the border because of the introduced infinities.
    It means the matter, distance and time are not fundamental phenomenons. The quantum events and their sequences are fundamental only. Next event is a change of the probability and gravity is a motion toward the more probably event. It may suggest the space-time is a vacuum with the virtual particles-antiparticles imaging the probability of the event.
    According to this idea our Universe is not real but a most probably mathematical image.
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    Without a prediction difference between a simulated and not simulated universe the idea is scientifically meaningless.

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    Default Re: Big Bang theory v. Continuous Creation theory

    This thread started out on questionable grounds and is degenerating into gobbledygook. Time to close it.

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