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    Quote Originally Posted by laney50w View Post
    OK, all kidding aside..... My answer would be the "Big Bang".....

    I just don't buy the "whole" theory. All seems too easy. And, Yes, I know that the universe is expanding. I just don't buy the whole theory as explained by many scientists. And it's STILL just a "THEORY"..... hehe
    How can you say its a bad prediction when it has yet to be disproven? most evidence is strongly in support of a big bang. If we found tomorrow a 'smoking gun' piece of evidence for the big bang, would it still be a bad prediction? I know this thread is just a bit of fun, but that is an argument from incredulity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam.lah View Post
    How can you say its a bad prediction when it has yet to be disproven? most evidence is strongly in support of a big bang. If we found tomorrow a 'smoking gun' piece of evidence for the big bang, would it still be a bad prediction? I know this thread is just a bit of fun, but that is an argument from incredulity.

    Oooops, you're right, I probably misinterpreted the initial question.

    If we found the smoking-gun, that would be awesome!

    BUT, I'll try to explain my thoughts...

    Yeah, it's true, a lot of evidence is in support of a BB Theory, and I'm not saying it's wrong. But, there's just as many astronomers on the other side of the argument, as well.

    Up until just a few weeks ago, I truly believed the universe was expanding, and maybe it is.....and maybe I still believe....not to contradict myself, but, I "DO" question it. I question it because many Astronomers are now realizing that there might be some big flaws in the BB Theory, as it's taught to us. And these "other" theories sound fairly plausible.

    So I like to hear other Astronomers' theories about it, and I try doing some of my own reading on this stuff. Recently I was reading about Quasars, and their "apparent" redshift distances...which recently has me questioning the "Universe Expansion", or, at least looking at some other possibilities.

    What recently got me going in this direction, was reading about Arp, (and many other astronomers) and their research on NGC7603. (which I found very interesting). NGC7603 is what's known as a "peculiar galaxy". It is comprised of 4 objects (two of which are quasars) all in the same vicinity, all with different redshifts. Leading many Astronomers to believe that Quasars might not be as far away as they once predicted (edge of the universe), Redshift Distances are now questionable, and that the universe might not be expanding at all. Other theories are that maybe the galaxies themselves, are the creators of all that's around us. Galaxies like M87, which spew matter, from their central black hole, light years long, in the form of a jet, possibly creating the building-blocks for life, and new star systems?

    I mean, it's all pretty incredible, fascinating, and pretty darn complicated, all at the same time. LOL I simply try to keep an open mind about this stuff, and listen to both sides. Not saying it's right or wrong...But, certainly makes you go "Hmmmmmmm".

    And forgive me for misreading the post, I don't mean to ruffle any feathers here, just my thoughts...

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    It may turn out to be String Theory. Sells alot of books but no one can see a string.

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    I just heard a presentation of the big bang theroy last night. It was quite an eye opener. The big bang theory is not one of a single point explosion like a fire cracker and the speaker seemed to like a phrase out of Calvin and Hobbs, that I can not quite remember, something like a humungous kabloie. The speaker was John Mather (2006 cowinner of the Nobel Prize in Physics) The presentation was awesome and understandable (even if I cannot repeat it very well). He did touch upon Einstein's mistake, and a lot of other related material including the work that earned him the Nobel prize. The pin he wore was also awe inspiring, and I really was sorta dorky and got his autograph. The way he explains the big bang, you might believe in it especially since he points out all sorts of unanswered questions whose answers have the potential for changing a lot of theories.
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    Maybe ether? It was generally accepted that there was some kind of ether 100+ years back, then somebody did some experiments to measure how strong its effect was.. and noticed that there was no effect at all, because there is no ether
    The negative conclusion of the Michelson-Morley experiment can be interpreted otherwise, as being proof of the inadequacy of their equipment.

    Moreover, what the "Scientific American" magazine said 150 years ago still sounds convincing : "If electricity is incapable of going through the void then it is probable that the other so-called 'imponderable forces' --light, heat, magnetism and possibly attraction-- obey the same law; since those agents freely travel in the interplanetary spaces, Newton's assumption that such spaces could be filled with a sort of etheric matter receives an indirect but powerful support [from the experiments started by Sir Wm. Grove]."

    That's an allusion to the "action at a distance" problem that science claims to have solved definitely by inventing the field concept: fields affect space in such a way that the behavior of objects in that space is fully explained, and an underlying medium (ether) is no longer necessary to explain that behavior. You could say that the field notion is no more than scientific magic or hocus-pocus, an ad hoc (makeshift) tool to do away with the unexplainable.

    Science also claims that electromagnetic waves are not merely disturbances in a medium like water, sound and seismic waves but things in themselves, which would imply that their existence is not proof of a matrix or medium that fills so-called "empty space".

    There is no such thing as empty space because it is a logical impossibility, in spite of what quantum physics says: that particles are constantly popping up from the "void" or "nothingness" and then vanishing again into nothingness. That would contradict the law of conservation of matter-energy. Nothingness, by definition, is nonexistent, which means that space must be an infinitely dense matrix, utterly packed with something our senses are unable to detect. The tiniest bit of nothingness you can conceive is an impossibility. How could there possibly be a speck of nothing going around in the Sea of Everything, let alone a bunch of numberless objects in a Sea of Nothing?

    I arrived at that inevitable conclusion and thought I'd invented the Theory of the Infinitely Dense Matrix of Space, then I was dismayed to find out that this is an old theory called "plenism". It could be thousands of years old as far as I know, so, once again, as was the case in Biblical times, the conclusion is that there is "no new thing under the Sun" (Ecclesiastes 1:9).

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    Something which I don't understand about the Big Bang Theory... maybe it's dumb.

    If the mass from one single star can be great enough to cause it to implode upon itself how could all of the mass of the universe been in one place at one time and explode and not implode? To me it doesn't make sense unless it imploded in one reality and exploded into another.

    On anther subject. If I understand right, quantum machanics state that everything is made out of the same material but it's the frequency that causes this material to manifest itself as sound, light, matter, etc.

    So if that is correct, just as sound, light, radio waves have harmonics doesn't it stand to reason that matter would also have harmonic reproductions of itself? That would imply that there could be multiple versions of our universe... even ourselves.

    Is reality ready for more than one of me?
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