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    Default Re: Star tools v. PI



    Thanks Stuart.
    I think back then it needed to check your status, trial or bought so without connecting first I was unable to use it.

    Price is still the main reason I have not bought a license.
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    Default Re: Star tools v. PI

    Quote Originally Posted by kingclinton View Post
    Thanks Stuart.
    I think back then it needed to check your status, trial or bought so without connecting first I was unable to use it.

    Price is still the main reason I have not bought a license.
    The way I look at it is that I've spent thousands of dollars and as many hours time and on good astronomy equipment. I'm not going to cheapen out on processing software--especially on something like Pixinsight which is a one-time purchase as opposed to subscription.

    But whatever works for you.
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    Default Re: Star tools v. PI

    I appreciate the perspective that says that the price of PixInsight should not be the barrier to purchase. If you are devoted to producing the best possible image I suspect PixInsight may be the way to go irregardless of the cost.

    But I'm not in that boat. I'm simply not sufficiently interested or devoted to learning to manage a very difficult software package and then spend hours using that software in order to actually do the processing.

    You can get a pretty good image from SharpCap with what is effectively automated processing.

    If you get StarTools you can quickly process to a very nice image - as Scott and others have adequately demonstrated. It may be years before I'll have sufficient time to spend hours processing an image.

    And by that time I may actually have purchased the Prism software from Hyperion so that I can work through the learning curve of a single piece of software which can pretty much handle everything. I'm not yet ready to go to Prism but I like the idea of being able to handle automation, acquisition, and processing. Learn one system, set up the equivalent of macros to suit typical processes and go unified! Yeah, there is merit to the idea of choosing the best software for each and every task but that is not necessarily the friendliest approach.
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    Default Re: Star tools v. PI

    A very nice image can be done in PI in about 20-30 min.
    Depending on how many sub frames you have to process.
    Preprocessing can take a few, but it takes a few in any of the programs.

    I suppose you could spend hours using any image processing program on a particularly difficult image.
    But you really don't have to.
    Depending on the complexity of the job, (i.e. narrowband, LRGB, etc...) it will take time in any program.

    The flexibility that PI allows is something that works very well in nearly all situations, in one program.

    I like not needing:
    a separate stacking program
    a separate pre-processing program
    a separate astrometry and plate solving program
    a set of "plug-ins", (read $$$), to do a job

    And, unfortunately, Esp. lately, we end up using the image processing software a whole lot more than just about any other piece of gear.
    I still say the ~$250 I spent on PI was the best investment I've made in this hobby, by far.
    It's always open on my machine. I have 3 images in process at this very minute.
    I nearly always do.

    The one time, (so far), fee I think is reasonable for its abilities. Far better than the subscription based PS model.
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    Default Re: Star tools v. PI

    Prism is a fantastic piece of software and if I hadn't already invested in SGP I would have done that. Also, the owner of Hyperion is a friend of mine and a great guy.
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    Default Re: Star tools v. PI

    I subscribe to IP4AP and also hav Adam Blocks Fundamentals, both are very good in their own rights.. These will get you understanding PI and using its full power.

    There is also a very good set of videos on YouTube by Astro Dude. It’s a 12 part series aimed at beginners and it’s very good. It covers the basic tools (processes) needed to get a decent image.

    It’s a strange old thing this Astrophotography... but I am also in the mindset that if you are going to spend the typical amounts on an imaging setup, then surely investing in the tools to see your hard work is almost a no brainier?

    PI for what it can do is what I would consider one of the cheaper purchases I’ve made and my imaging setup is nothing overly fancy.
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    Default Re: Star tools v. PI

    Just a word on the tutorials, ip4ap will be increasing their prices in a few months because they have to switch servers, so if you want to lock in a lower rate, get a yearly subscription now. And Warren just published a tutorial on ip4ap on the new SFS process.

    In terms of Adam's tutorials, he just added two videos on OSC/DSLR color camera processing, a tutorial in the TGVDenoise tool, and a video on the StarAlignment tool. I haven't seen them yet as I've gotten sidetracked with other stuff.

    I recommend them both. In terms of Astrodude's stuff, I've gone through some of them. I disagree with some of his techniques, but it's a good start.
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    Default Re: Star tools v. PI

    Quote Originally Posted by kingclinton View Post
    Things may have changed but I did not like the fact that you could not use the software Offline.

    It's only the TRIAL version that needs an internet connection. That's always been the case.
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