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    I am trialling Star Tools demo, just to see if I can get on with it before full purchase. So far so good but just a couple of questions that Star Tools are not replying to:
    1) It takes forever to load an image from DSS e.g. 5 minutes for 200MB file. Is this normal or just because its the demo?
    2) The De-noise feature also takes a very long time and sometimes does not finish at all. Just goes on and on and on and...
    3) The demo does not allow the processed image to be saved. I understand this as a good incentive to buy, but what format does it save in? jpeg, bmp

    Generally what better performance or extra features can I expect when buying the full license? Can't seem to find much except video tutorials but they do not answer these questions exactly.
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    Default Re: Star Tools advice please...

    Pretty sure it won't be any faster... What are the specs of your PC? Star Tools is pretty intensive on the CPU and memory. If you're working from a larger DSLR image then you should Bin the image as one of your first operations - this gets the size down considerably to something much easier to work with.

    The demo contains all the functionality of the full product apart from saving. ASFAIK it saves to Jpeg and PNG format - rather bizarrely you have to add the extension yourself when saving rather than selecting the file type (so perhaps there's other formats it will save to...)
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    Default Re: Star Tools advice please...

    Thanks for the info Dave. I did perform binning before starting processing but it was the intial upload of the original image that took the time. I am happy to add the file extension myself so no problem there.
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    Default Re: Star Tools advice please...

    Dave's advice seems good, a 200MB file is very large and will take a lot of time. However, if you have further questions there is a Yahoo group where Greg Crinklaw and others will answer questions.

    https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/skytools/inf

    BTW, Sky Tools 4 is in the pipeline and will come out perhaps in January. I understand it will be significantly different and better, although ST3 is still very good.
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    Default Re: Star Tools advice please...

    It will only save to two formats, Tiff and Jpeg.
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    Default Re: Star Tools advice please...

    5 minutes seems quite excessive for the load time though (although it does take a little while...). Also the de-noise does take a long time (perhaps a couple of minutes if I remember....). I'd email the guys at StarTools for advice with the specs of your PC stating the concern on this operation not finishing. Obviously you want to be sure that the product works OK with your PC but perhaps there's something not correct or the parameters you're using for de-noise.
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    Default Re: Star Tools advice please...

    It will save to .JPG format and .TIF format... I can't say that I have tried .BMP, but it may - as the previous post mentions, the file type when you save cannot be selected from a drop down menu, you have to type it in yourself.

    I haven't used any other software to compare Star Tools to, just getting into AP myself. I agree with it being CPU / memory intensive though, I recently upgraded my computer and saw a big difference in how long it took to complete steps. The final de-noise step seems to take the longest of any step during processing in my limited experience to date.
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    Default Re: Star Tools advice please...

    Ah, sorry yes TIFF, not PNG. Thanks Clinton for the correction! My bad.....
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    Default Re: Star Tools advice please...

    On the star tools website there is a very useful forum with plenty of Qand A.

    On my laptop it is very slow but works very well on the bigger desktop machine.
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    Default Re: Star Tools advice please...

    As mentioned, you may want to up your memory. I wait long for opening the file, cropping and noise but maybe for about 30 seconds. Seems longer since it's like watching grass grow but overall not too bad.
    My only real probelm is that I am just finding it difficult to process a good image...but that's the user not entirely the program.
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