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    Hi fellow members!

    I have recently bought the Star Tools image processing software.
    It has amazed me so far and has been impressive with what it can do.

    I have browsed the Star tools forums and looked through the videos/tutorials.
    Now for my question.
    Have you got any good ideas,plans, tips or tricks to help me get oriented and get stuck into the nitty gritty of the program?
    You may also know of some videos that I may have missed on youtube etc.

    I have been through the AP challenge contest archives and downloaded the images to get some practice with.

    So your thoughts and comments on Star tools please.

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    Default Re: Star Tools

    Hi Clinton! Can't help on the Star Tools but it sounds like a lot of fun! Just wanted to say hi mate!
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    Hi Clinton
    I use Star Tools and really like it. I tried PI but found it too difficult for me (made my head hurt a lot). A lot of folks have mastered PI and it really works, but for me Star Tools is easier to use. I read some of the tutorials and downloaded the user manual. The rest of what I know I have learned by just working with the program.
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    Thanks Jerry!

    I had to google star tools manual and came up with this:Star tools manual .

    Is this the same one you have?

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    Hi Clinton, Congrats on getting StarTools. You'll love it. I, like Jerry found PI just way to complicated and over my head so StarTools fits the bill. The two StarTools wizards on the forum are Scott "Hondo" and Paul "PCH". I learned ST from looking at their ST log files and seeing what they did in the imaging challenges and applying it to my own images. Once you develop a work flow that you are comfortable with it really is just a matter of practice working on different images and tweaking them in different ways to see what produces the best results.. Here is a video you may not have seen. It is done by Ivo and aired on The Astro Imaging Channel a few months back. One thing you will always see Ivo do is to use the Auto Develop Tool. I personally find that I get the best results using the manul develop tool and using the Home In function for my stretches. Another piece of software that can really polish up the final images is Noiseware Community edition. It's free and in many cases will really put a shine on your final image.

    Good luck and let us know if you have any specific question and I will be glad to answer them if I can.

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    Default Re: Star Tools

    Thanks Richard,

    These are exactly the snippets of information I was hoping for.
    So far I also prefer the manual develop, the auto seems to overdrive the image a bit.

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    Default Re: Star Tools

    One thing I found using ST is to use the manual develop tool a number of times during your processing.

    I wrote a 'guide' for myself however I found I change it around quite often. Actually I have 2. A detailed one and a quick one.

    Try playing with both and don't forget to use the develop tool a few times!!
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    Clinton,

    Here is my basic workflow using StarTools. It will vary from image to image but overall this is generally what works best for me.

    The first thing I do after loading an image is to run Bin on it to reduce the overall image size and make processing faster. I use the default setting in Bin.

    Second, I will run the image through Autodev just to see where I need to crop the stacking artifacts. I will then cancel Autodev and back out of it then I will go to the Crop Tool to crop the image as is needed.

    Next I go to the Wipe Tool and use it with vignetting selected and the dark anomaly filter set at 5 pixels with temporary auto develop turned on so I can see approximately what the image is going to look like.

    I then go to Develop and stretch the image using the home in button. This usually will get me pretty close to exactly how much I want the image to be stretched but not always. Sometimes you still have to tweak it manually.

    Next I go to Band. With my T3i as with a lot of DSLRs you can run into banding issues with the camera. By using Band at this stage of the processing I find that I can remove the banding before I have processed the image any further making the banding harder to remove.

    From there, I go to the Sharp Module and adjust the detail in the image to where I like it.

    Next, I go to HDR and tweak the image as is necessary.

    I follow this up with the Decon Module to bring out the fine detail in the image.

    From there I go to color which will create a full mask for you and tweak the colors to my liking. This is the one area I've had difficulty with as I never seem to be quite happy with just how the color tones come out in my images.

    Next I go to the Life Module and make the adjustments to the image as is needed. Of course in the Life Module there are many options to choose from with moderate, heavy, less=more, and isolate along with the slider adjustments at the bottom of the screen. Every image is different and this is where you really just have to play with the image trying different options to see what looks best to you. As you continue to use StarTools you will find that certain types of images such as large galaxies use similar setting in the Life Module while other types of images such as globular clusters need quiet different settings in the Life Module than you used to process galaxies and nebula can be totally different again. With trial and error you will get the hang of it.

    Next, again depending upon the image I will go to the Filter Module which can be used for many different things. It can be used to nudge a bit more stretching of the image, it can also be used as a fringe killer around stars there generating halos, and in reject mode to help kill some of the noise in the image. Again, each image is different and must be treated so with this module.

    Now I go to the Contrast Module. This module does exactly what its name says. The one thing you want to be careful of is the aggressiveness that you use on your image. Too much contrast will of course totally blacken your background and kill some of your fainter nebulasity which you do not want to have happen as we all know that space is not totally black.

    Finally I run the Track Module to do my final noise reduction. Again this is a module that does exactly what it says. It stops tracking your work and allows you to do the final noise reduction. If you watch the video that I posted a link to, Ivo goes into a bit of detail describing how the track sliders work. They work very similar to wavelets in Registax 6 when your processing planetary or a lunar images. I have not had a chance to play with them much but that is a future project for me.

    This is the basic workflow that I use when processing my images taken with my T3i. Like I've said each image has to be handled differently and it can vary depending upon the equipment you're using but this should give you a starting point. I'm sure others who use StarTools use a different workflow but that's one of the nice things about StarTools is it gives you options of processing your image the way you're comfortable with.
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    Hi Clinton,

    I use both PI and StarTools.
    here a typical workflow that I use in StarTools

    Here a log of a typical session, from uploading the "Virgin" DSS file to saving the results.

    Try and apply them to your file.

    -----------------------------------------------------------
    File loaded [C:\Users\Marco\Pictures\1-Telescope\Canon\APT\Camera_1\IC1848-Soul-Nebula\Autosave.tiff].
    ---
    --- Auto Develop
    Parameter [Ignore Fine Detail <] set to [Off]
    Parameter [Outside ROI Influence] set to [15 %]
    --- Crop
    Parameter [X1] set to [628 pixels]
    Parameter [Y1] set to [870 pixels]
    Parameter [X2] set to [4163 pixels (-780)]
    Parameter [Y2] set to [2948 pixels (-917)]
    --- Bin
    Parameter [Scale] set to [(scale/noise reduction 35.38%)/(798.89%)/(+3.00 bits)]
    --- Auto Develop
    Parameter [Ignore Fine Detail <] set to [Off]
    Parameter [Outside ROI Influence] set to [15 %]
    --- Wipe (those are the default settings you get by clicking the vignet tab)
    Parameter [Mode] set to [Correct Color & Brightness]
    Parameter [UNKNOWN] set to [No]
    Parameter [Precision] set to [256 x 256 pixels]
    Parameter [Dark Anomaly Filter] set to [3 pixels]
    Parameter [Drop Off Point] set to [0 %]
    Parameter [Corner Aggressiveness] set to [100 %]
    Parameter [Aggressiveness] set to [75 %]
    --- Develop (adjust the parameters in red until you have lots of details visible colours may be a bit strange now, you will correct them later)
    Parameter [White Calibration] set to [Use Dark Anomaly Filter (May White Clip)]
    Parameter [Gamma] set to [0.75]
    Parameter [Skyglow] set to [0 %]
    Parameter [Digital Development] set to [88.49 %]
    Parameter [Blue Luminance Contrib.] set to [100 %]
    Parameter [Green Luminance Contrib.] set to [100 %]
    Parameter [Red Luminance Contrib.] set to [168 %]
    Parameter [Dark Anomaly Headroom] set to [94 %]
    Parameter [Dark Anomaly Filter] set to [11.6 pixels]
    --- Wavelet Sharpen
    Parameter [Intelligent Enhance] set to [Yes]
    Parameter [Scale 1] set to [17 %]
    Parameter [Scale 2] set to [22 %]
    Parameter [Scale 3] set to [100 %]
    Parameter [Scale 4] set to [100 %]
    Parameter [Scale 5] set to [100 %]
    Parameter [Mask Fuzz] set to [8.0 pixels]
    Parameter [Amount] set to [357 %]
    Parameter [Small Detail Bias] set to [99 %]
    --- Contrast
    Parameter [Expose Dark Areas] set to [No]
    Parameter [Compensate Gamma] set to [No]
    Parameter [Precision] set to [256 x 256 pixels]
    Parameter [Dark Anomaly Filter] set to [1 pixels]
    Parameter [Aggressiveness] set to [75 %]
    Parameter [Dark Anomaly Headroom] set to [15 %]
    --- HDR (those are the standard setting of the tab reveal)
    Parameter [Small Detail Precision] set to [Max]
    Parameter [Channels] set to [Brightness Only]
    Parameter [Algorithm] set to [Reveal DSO Core]
    Parameter [Dark/Bright Response] set to [Full]
    Parameter [Detail Size Range] set to [64 pixels]
    Parameter [Noise Suppression] set to [Off]
    --- Deconvolution
    Parameter [Image Type] set to [Deep Space]
    Parameter [Mask Behavior] set to [De-ring Mask Gaps, Hide Result]
    Parameter [Radius] set to [1.5 pixels]
    Parameter [Iterations] set to [6]
    Parameter [Regularization] set to [1.00 (optimal noise and detail)]
    Parameter [Mask Fuzz] set to [8.0 pixels]
    --- Color (move the sliders untill you get the desired color)
    Parameter [Cap Green] set to [To Yellow]
    Parameter [Bias Slider Mode] set to [Sliders Reduce Color Bias]
    Parameter [Style] set to [Artistic, Detail Aware]
    Parameter [LRGB Method Emulation] set to [Straight CIELab Luminance Retention]
    Parameter [Dark Saturation] set to [3.40]
    Parameter [Bright Saturation] set to [3.10]
    Parameter [Saturation Amount] set to [222 %]
    Parameter [Blue Bias Reduce] set to [1.84]
    Parameter [Green Bias Reduce] set to [1.74]
    Parameter [Red Bias Reduce] set to [1.00]
    Parameter [Mask Fuzz] set to [1.0 pixels]
    --- Wavelet De-Noise (adjust the setting in red to your liking)
    Parameter [Scale 1] set to [98 %]
    Parameter [Scale 2] set to [98 %]
    Parameter [Scale 3] set to [90 %]
    Parameter [Scale 4] set to [90 %]
    Parameter [Scale 5] set to [0 %]
    Parameter [Mask Fuzz] set to [1.0 pixels]
    Parameter [Scale Correlation] set to [2]
    Parameter [Color Detail Loss] set to [12 %]
    Parameter [Brightness Detail Loss] set to [8 %]

    Parameter [Grain Size] set to [3.4 pixels]
    Parameter [Read Noise Compensation] set to [11.79 %]
    Parameter [Smoothness] set to [75 %]
    --- Filter
    Parameter [Filter Mode] set to [Saturate H-alpha]
    Parameter [Sampling Method] set to [3x3 Average]
    Parameter [Filter Width] set to [5]
    Parameter [Mask Fuzz] set to [1.0 pixels]
    File saved [C:\Users\Marco\Pictures\1-Telescope\Canon\APT\Camera_1\IC1848-Soul-Nebula\Soul-nebula.tiff].


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    Default Re: Star Tools

    Thanks Gordon and Richard.

    Gordon the files are saved for reference.
    Richard I have followed much of the same workflow as yours, although not all of the modules you mention.
    I will get there and try all the modules and see where they take me.
    I do the develop function often and try all the sliders in the function too.

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