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    Default Should I pull the trigger on Pixinsight



    I currently stack Canon RAW images in DSS, and process in StarTools. DSS has developed a bad habit of going through it's sometimes lengthy stacking process and I end up with nothing. No auto save file, no image to process in the DSS image processing screen, just nothing. I can't seem to find a solution to the problem.
    StarTools seems to be a good app. I've certainly seen some great results from some folks here that use it. It, unfortunately, has the habit of crashing on me after a couple of hours of processing an image, and leaves me with the same result for my time and effort that I get from DSS. Bupkiss. That's even after I bought a new computer to process with that far exceeds the suggested requirements listed by StarTools.
    So I'm looking for a new solution.
    I have Nebulosity, and was just about to start learning how to stack in it, when I though to myself "self, why start on a new learning curve with Nebulosity when most of the 'big boys' you know are using Pixinsight?"
    So just a couple questions about PI. Can I stack Canon RAW images in it and what does it cost here in the US?
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    Default Re: Should I pull the trigger on Pixinsight

    Short answer,
    Yes you can stack raw images, and it's about $260 US depending on the exchange rate. It's all on download and all updates, (so far), have been free.
    You can also run it on every machine you own legally. Once you have the license, you are free to use it wherever you have a machine. This means you can keep a copy on the imaging laptop as well as on the main processing desktop.
    Longer answer:
    They have a complete 45 day trial which allows saving the finished image. (Something ST will not let you do during the trial).
    You will be better off running the included batch file conversion script in PixInsight. It will make the stacking process a lot less painful.

    The learning curve is very steep, but there are a ton of tutorials and forums out there.

    I used it on trial and couldn't wait to pay for it. It's THAT good.
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    Default Re: Should I pull the trigger on Pixinsight

    I switched from DSS to PI. It is an awesome stacking software but a little more hands on. The image processing is a major learning curve and it is steep but there are so many tutorials to learn from. I would join the PI forums as well. It can be a little tricky since most tutorials are not for DSLR users but there is one on lightvortex that is. I like it.
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    Default Re: Should I pull the trigger on Pixinsight

    I have DSS, StarTools (though I haven't figured out how to use it), Nebulosity, GIMP, and PixInsight. I use PixInsight for everything processing wise. (well, except for planetary image stacking)

    That said, there has been a time or two that I couldn't get PixInsight to stack the images. This I'm sure was due to some less than quality images taken. When that does happen, I will use DSS to stack them and then take the stacked images into PI for processing. (DSS will stack some awful images without choking on them)

    PI is a really great product, but there is definitely some effort involved in learning it. I have noticed that some people use PI and other tools for some parts of their processing needs. I believe some maybe doing this due to not yet figuring out how to do it well (or at all) in PI. In my opinion, it is the goto Swiss Army knife of AP processing. It can do everything, you've just have to learn to use each of it's tools. ...which I'm not sure there are that many people who actually know how to use all of them!
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    Default Re: Should I pull the trigger on Pixinsight

    Just got the trial license emai.
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    Default Re: Should I pull the trigger on Pixinsight

    Hi Mike,

    If you're thinking of switching from ST to PI, there is a transition guide / dictionary here that may come in handy to somewhat lessen the learning curve. It was meant for the increasing number of people with a PI background switching to ST for post-processing, but you could also use it for the reverse situation (scroll down for the terminology matrix).

    It has been a long time since any sort of crashing behavior has been reported in StarTools, so I'm keen to pin-point the issue you're having (some details on your OS, specs and the version of StarTools that is exhibiting the behavior would be great if you can spare the time!).

    Cheers,
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    Default Re: Should I pull the trigger on Pixinsight

    Ivo, I'll be happy to fill you in. I'm downloading a trial right now so my processing computer is busy. When I can get t it I'll send you all the info you want. Would you rather I post here or email you? Also, what information do you want, just what you mentioned above, or more? You've been a great help to me with StarTools, and I'm happy to help you make it better. Remember I'm not a computer genius (I am barely up to the level of computer idiot) so be specific in your requests.
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    Default Re: Should I pull the trigger on Pixinsight

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike_Lewis View Post
    Ivo, I'll be happy to fill you in. I'm downloading a trial right now so my processing computer is busy. When I can get t it I'll send you all the info you want. Would you rather I post here or email you? Also, what information do you want, just what you mentioned above, or more? You've been a great help to me with StarTools, and I'm happy to help you make it better. Remember I'm not a computer genius (I am barely up to the level of computer idiot) so be specific in your requests.
    Thanks Mike - it's much appreciated! Don't want to hijack this thread any further, but if you could PM me with;
    * The OS and type (for example 'Windows 7, 64-bit')
    * The amount of memory installed (for example '8Gb').
    * Free disk space (for example '180Gb')
    * The version of StarTools exhibiting the problem (lower left corner of main screen, or in the About dialog, for example "1.3.5.275").
    * Number of cores (found in the About dialog, for example "StarTools 1.3.5.275, running on 4 logical CPU cores").
    * Any description you can give me of the issue (for example "Sometimes crashes in the denoise module.", "Crashes whenever I use the Dark Anomaly Filter parameter in Wipe", etc.).
    * Resolution of the data set you were processing (for example "3000x2000", found in top of the main screen).
    * The relevant part of the 'StarTools.log' file of the misbehaving session would also be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks!

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    Default Re: Should I pull the trigger on Pixinsight

    Mike, short answer YES, not so short answer OHHHH YESSSS!! You'll want to pull your hair out (hope you have more than I do), at first, but it's so worth it!
    That's my Humble Opinion!
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    Default Re: Should I pull the trigger on Pixinsight

    Quote Originally Posted by irwjager View Post
    Hi Mike,

    If you're thinking of switching from ST to PI, there is a transition guide / dictionary here that may come in handy to somewhat lessen the learning curve. It was meant for the increasing number of people with a PI background switching to ST for post-processing, but you could also use it for the reverse situation (scroll down for the terminology matrix).

    Cheers,
    Ivo, thank you very much for this... I wish I'd seen something like this when I was trying out ST...
    (Of course, I really didn't have any PI experience at that time either, so I don't know if I would have been smart enough to use it then!!! )
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