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    Default Amazing what the right glass can reveal! Baader 17.5mm EP



    I have been an amateur astronomer for most of my adult life. A long time. However I never really got 'serious' about it. I have a large collection of commodity grade eyepieces that came with various telescopes. Some were real junk, some were okay. But I never really felt like I was getting the views I should be.

    Now in spite of my 'experience' I am still a noob when it comes to visual so bear with me on the details. This will just be a pedestrian observation

    I recently decided to ask around about a 'good' eyepiece for my dob might be. The Baader 17.5 Morpheus was suggested. As luck would have it it was on sale from Agena Astro. So I ordered one.

    Like I said I know very little about eyepiece design, I just know most of what I have are plossels. I dont even know the designation of the Morpheus other than it has 8 lenses in 5 groups!

    Amazingly I got to try it out the night of the day it arrived!

    First thing I noticed is that it was a lot bigger and heavier than what I was used to, save my 2" ultra view. But balance was not an issue on the XT8G it slewed and centered quite well.

    I plopped the eyepiece into the scope and slewed to a bright star, Aldeberan I think. Racked the focuser back and forth a little and right off the bat I noticed "Wow I can see diffraction spikes! In an eyepiece!" never seen that before. I put on the bathinov mask and the spikes were clear and well defined. Never seen that in an EP either. I dialed in the focus, removed the mask and started my tour.

    I started with something faint and fuzzy, the blackeye galaxy. I could see much more of it than ever before it had a distinct shape against a background with great contrast. I saw some hints of the dark lanes but cant really claim that I actually saw them.

    I then slewed over to the Leo area to browse the galaxys in the triplet. They were all visible but faint fuzzys. It wasent the best of nights with alot of moisture in the air illuminated by the city sky glow. But I did observe them!

    I then slewed to a double star, sorry forgot the name and while the star was crisp and sharp but not split. Not surprising at that magnification. Still nice color and contrast.

    I then decided to try a cluster, M3, found it easly and.... wow! It really popped! Much more so than ever before. I could not really resolve individual stars but I could see the entire obect and a brighter core! I was impressed.

    It was then I decided to check the claims of long eye relief and grabbed my single vision glasses and was not dissapointed. I could find the sweet spot pretty easy and enjoyed the view. I was very very close to resolving individual stars in the cluster but not quite there. Still it was a very impressive sight compared to the dull fuzzy view I had become used to.

    I then saw Jupiter was in between some trees to the south for a few minutes so I gave that a look see also! It was clear sharp the moons bright as can be and the planet itself showed some of the bands and I would swear some color! The GRS was either not in view or I did not resolve it Still about the best visual view of the gas giant I have ever had. Considering the murky conditions and it being well below 2x airmass it was an impressive sight.

    In conclusion, I should have done this years ago. Absolutly stunned at the difference a good eyepiece can make, especially the long eye relief and wide field of view at around 76 degrees!

    They eyepiece comes packed in a foam lined box with a few accessories. Two rubber eye guards (one cupped for binos) a short extension ring for eye relief adjustment, a pretty cool belt 'holster', two objective dust caps, and a 1 1/4" dust cap. Also Agena threw in a bolt case for free which was nice.

    Thats about it except now of course I want more They have a full line of these EPs down to about 4.5mm I think. That may be pushing it for an 8" but I just might try it.

    Thanks for reading. Please educate me especially if you think a 4.5mm is just too much for the 8" f6
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    Default Re: Amazing what the right glass can reveal! Baader 17.5mm EP

    I don't know enough to give you any advice UM, but enjoyed reading your report. Thank you. I'm glad this EP work so well for you
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    Default Re: Amazing what the right glass can reveal! Baader 17.5mm EP

    A fantastic report UM!
    I knew you would like that one, I was joking to Bryan last night that you were going to say "I do not see a difference"
    If the skies are good and steady a 4.5mm would work but it would not be a much used eyepiece. Better to barlow down sometimes.
    Now go put that eyepiece in your refractor!

    You should post a picture or two of it.
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    Default Re: Amazing what the right glass can reveal! Baader 17.5mm EP

    Thanks, So maybe get like a 9mm and barlow that?

    Mostly interested in splitting doubles at the moment.

    Pictures of eyepieces? ... Booring.. LOL just kidding.

    I will take some of the new Baader next to the old plossels for comparison.
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    Default Re: Amazing what the right glass can reveal! Baader 17.5mm EP

    I would look at the 12.5mm, your 17.5 will barlow to a 9mm already (8.75)
    Soon you will be buying Orthoscopics and upgrading the Plossl eyepieces, maybe even a binoviewer....
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    Default Re: Amazing what the right glass can reveal! Baader 17.5mm EP

    Hello Tom,

    can you remember my prophesy about you as a coming great visual observer?

    First of all, thanks for your report, very very nice!
    The Morpheus line of the eyepieces has received some good acceptance, I can't comment, as I don't have them.
    Some of the reviewers in the German forums have not been very happy with the short focus Morpheus (4.5mm), so be careful before spending your money. The longer focus Morphei seem to be o.k.

    Looking forward to your observing reports,

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    Default Re: Amazing what the right glass can reveal! Baader 17.5mm EP

    Thanks for the words of encouragement. Soon I plan to take the APO out to the dark site and really see what they can do!

    In the meantime some pics as requested.

    IMG_1640 by Tom Whit, on Flickr

    That is the eyepiece the box it came in and the accessories, with the exception of the belt 'holster' shame because it is really pretty nice but I forgot it. In case your wondering that little silver metal thing is a 'tactile' focal length indicator. You can bend one of the tabs up and attach it to your holster thingy and be able to tell the focal length in the dark without special light. Quirky but cool

    IMG_1641 by Tom Whit, on Flickr

    Top down view, its huge compared to my other eyepieces

    IMG_1644 by Tom Whit, on Flickr

    A side by side comparison, the little plossel is feeling lonely right about now!
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    Default Re: Amazing what the right glass can reveal! Baader 17.5mm EP

    Nice German engineering sitting next to a Chinese clone of good Austrian engineering

    I hope you get the chance to use the eyepiece some more soon!
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    Default Re: Amazing what the right glass can reveal! Baader 17.5mm EP

    Quote Originally Posted by UlteriorModem View Post

    Thats about it except now of course I want more They have a full line of these EPs down to about 4.5mm I think. That may be pushing it for an 8" but I just might try it.

    Thanks for reading. Please educate me especially if you think a 4.5mm is just too much for the 8" f6
    Good eyepieces make all the difference! Glad you enjoyed the experience. Highest on my priorities would be to get something at the magic 2mm exit pupil which for your 8" f6 would be about 12mm focal length. I do not think that a 4.5mm is too much for your scope on a good steady night. You'd only be starting to "push it" at 3mm focal length or shorter. If you like the Morpheus why not get the 12.5 and 9 and Barlow a bit?
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    Default Re: Amazing what the right glass can reveal! Baader 17.5mm EP

    Really good to see you getting some great enjoyment from just viewing UM. Really nice piece of glass there congrats!
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