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    Default Pretty Much An All-Nighter! No Fooling!



    4/1-2/2017

    April fools day and for once Mother Nature didn't have any dirty weather tricks up her sleeve for Michigan. It actually turned into a beautiful sunny day with temps approaching 60F by late afternoon. Skies remained clear into the evening, Fox Park had a public viewing night planned, so I made the 1 hour drive up to the observatory, arriving around 6:45pm to help with setup and get things ready to go while still daylight. The scope I'd be manning last night (at least to start with) was a homemade 8" f/8 Dob with an absolutely fantastic mirror that had been ground by the scope's previous owner. Anyway, let's get to the good stuff!

    Moon: All the scopes at the start of the evening were turned towards the crescent moon, since it was still daylight and nothing else was visible yet. This was when I began to realize how incredibly sharp the views were in this longer focal length Dob I was manning. The lunar views were absolutely fantastic and full of detail, even in my 6.7mm at 238x magnification! As it began to get dark and a few folks started arriving I shared some of these wonderful views of our nearest neighbor before turning my attention elsewhere.

    M42/43: The Orion Nebula was equally fantastic in my 17.3mm Delos. Even with a nearby moon the texture and detail were plainly evident. Stars were incredibly sharp throughout the FOV, the collimation on this scope appeared pretty nearly perfect. This also got plenty of curious views both in the 8" Dob and the nearby 12" LX200.

    M48: A fantastic sharp view of this open cluster in my 17.3mm Delos. This and M47 were a couple of crowd favorites in the 8" Dob, who says open clusters have to be boring?!

    M47, another crowd pleaser! This one also was beautifully sharp throughout my FOV.

    Several times throughout the evening I moved the scope back to the Orion Nebula and the moon at the request of several visitors. Can't say I blame them, M42 looked fantastic in that scope and the moon (despite my occasional hatred for it) was stunningly razor-sharp!

    M65/66: With the moon still up only two of the Leo Triplet were readily visible, both looked fairly nice, but slightly washed out, in my 17.3mm. I'd revisit these again later.

    Jupiter: It was beginning to climb over the trees, so I swung the Dob over for a look and popped in my 12mm Delos. Even at a rather low elevation, the planet sharpened nicely during moments of good seeing providing some nice views for the folks who remained. The nice views of Jupiter hinted to me that this may just end up being a special night, but time would tell!

    As it grew later, the guests had left leaving a few of us volunteers still there manning our scopes. We hunted down a few globs, comparing views between the 8" Dob and the 12" LX200. M3 and M5 were stunning in both, obviously brighter in the 12", but still incredibly sharp in the 8" Dob. As M13 cleared the trees and climbed higher we checked that out as well, I pushed 238x on it in the f/8 Dob with fantastic results. The view in the 12" SCT was simply stunning.

    Jupiter (second take) With the giant planet high in the sky I turned the Dob back towards it and was rewarded with an absolutely stunning view in the 12mm Delos. We then popped in a 10mm Delos (which belonged to one of the other volunteers) and were just blown away by the detail and structure in the cloud bands. When the atmosphere settled down for periods of time the details on Jupiter would just pop! We then pushed a bit more magnification on it with a 9mm Nagler, again, awesome results.

    M64: While we marveled at the planet-killer ability of the f/8 Dob the 12" SCT saw a bit of galaxy hunting. With the moon finally getting lower the black eye in M64 was quite evident in the big 12" scope.

    M104: Dust lane across the sombrero was also very evident, a stunning view of this galaxy

    M65/66/NGC 3628: With the moon almost all the way set and a much darker sky I made a second (and successful) attempt at the Leo Triplet with the 8" Dob.

    Jupiter (yet again!) This time we had a 7mm Nagler in the Dob, still getting the crisp, jaw-dropping details!

    M51/NGC 5195: With the moon setting and a much darker sky the LX200 was turned towards the whirlpool with awesome results. The spiral structure wasn't just "kinda there" it was readily evident! At this point it was after 1am, but the skies were so clear and transparent that myself and the two other volunteers that remained weren't really ready to call it a night. With the fantastic views in the LX200 12", a decision was made to uncover the big daddy 17" Dob and see what we could scare up with that!

    M51/NGC 5195: OK, this wasn't even fair! With the 17" Dob and my 17.3mm Delos the spiral structure between these two was literally in-your-face evident! The other two knew when I'd found it because I believe my exact words were "holy ####" ! My goodness, what a view! I'm definitely ruined for life now! But wait, there's more!

    Leo Triplet (yet again) Once again, not even fair! The galaxies in this 17" monster actually look like galaxies! It's wild!

    M82 and M81: Both were just in your face! The details in M82 were just amazing!

    M13: Well, we had to do it! I turned this beast to M13 and plunked in my 6.7mm EP and was just blown away! Brilliant stars, this glob was easily resolved to the core and pretty much filled the FOV!

    M61: Once again, it actually looks like a galaxy! Spiral structure was discernible with direct vision in my 12mm Delos.

    M104: Holy cow! What a view of the sombrero! The dust lane cutting across it was just stunning! Yeah, we were having some fun!

    Jupiter (yet again): This time we viewed Jupiter in the 12" SCT as the GRS was coming into view! Just an incredible sight as the details just popped every time the atmosphere settled down!

    M51/NGC 5195: before packing up (it was now about 3:00 am!) I went for one last look at the whirlpool in my 12mm Delos. It was getting dangerously close to Dobson's Hole, but I managed to nail it! What an incredible view! The views at the end of the night through the big 17" monster were well worth being frozen stiff and tired!

    With that we ended the night, covered the scopes, rolled the roof back on, and headed out. I'll admit, I was dozing a bit on that drive home but I managed to stay alert! By the time I got to bed it was about 5:00 am! Thanks for reading, clear skies!
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    Default Re: Pretty Much An All-Nighter! No Fooling!

    Now that's a session! Nice work my lensfriend and also my condolences on the Redwings this year.... The end of an amazing run.
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    Default Re: Pretty Much An All-Nighter! No Fooling!

    Sounds like a great session! Glad the elements held out for you!
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    Wow! Sounds like you had great skies and an exciting session!! Congrats!!!

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    Congratulations on the fine session Wings! Sounds like you had a great time
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    Default Re: Pretty Much An All-Nighter! No Fooling!

    Sounds amazing, Wings! Congrats on the excellent views and thanks a bunch for sharing the experience with us.

    Swing by and pick me up next time you head up there.

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    Glad I took advantage of last night! The 10 day forecast here looks just awful! Rain (or snow) chances literally all except two days!
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    Default Re: Pretty Much An All-Nighter! No Fooling!

    Pretty cool when something that far away can slap you in the face. I, too, have been the recipient. Congrats on the great night and thanks for the write-up.
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    Wow! Nice session Wings and what a well written report! I swear I could actually see M13 and Jupiter when you were describing them! I sure would like to take a peek through a big scope like the 17". Thanks for sharing all the juicy details with us and congratulations on a great night!
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    Default Re: Pretty Much An All-Nighter! No Fooling!

    Great report Wings! Quite a few targets is a variety of scopes, including the 17". I would have been in it for the long haul myself.
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