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    Default Some Eyepiece First Lights



    March 24th, 2016

    So my last observing session where I actually saw stuff was on March 3rd, just over 3 weeks ago. Since that time the sky has alternated between thickly overcast and rainy, to high haze, extremely windy, thunderstorms, moony, and any combination of those. In fact, we were tornado warned yesterday evening, and turns out an EF-2 tornado had touched down just to the south of me. It has been a rough month for observing around here.

    In this time, I've acquired four new eyepieces: an ES 82° 4.7mm, and a set of 3 Vite Aspheric eyepieces in 23mm, 10mm, and 4mm focal lengths as detailed in Vite Aspheric's Have Arrived!. Needless to say, I've been anxious to get in a first light on these eyepieces.

    On Saturday, March 12th, I pulled my primary mirror out of the dob. It hasn't been cleaned since I've owned the scope. I gave the mirror a gentle wash in the kitchen sink with cold water and a few drops of Dawn detergent, and a light rub with my clean fingertips. After a rinse of distilled water, I left the mirror to dry. It came out pristine and spot free. I was quite proud of my work. Got the mirror back into the cell and the cell back into the scope. Got everything recollimated and ready to go.

    The next day, March 13th, it started out a fairly clear, so I set the dob out to try the 4.7mm and enjoy my clean mirror. As twilight was settling in, I put in the 4.7mm and goofed around on Sirius for a bit. The star was rather spiky looking. Indeed, every star I turned the scope on was very spiky. My collimation was still a bit off. Then the high haze moved in so I packed things up.

    Then on Monday, March 21st, it cleared again, so I set the Mak outside to cool with hopes of trying out the Vites. I decided I'd also set the dob out (now much better collimated) and on a whim, grabbed my little 60mm refractor too. I was curious how the Vites would do in that scope as well.

    It was a bit breezy, but seemed to be calming down some. So I went about my prep work, rather enjoying myself as I puttered around getting things ready. I had the tripod and mount leveled for the Mak. The frac was ready to rock. I set about getting the dob ready too. I had both my eyepiece case and my accessory case opened and sitting on my little tables while I worked on the dob. About that time a nice fat gust of wind came spanking along and tipped both of my tables over and sent the cases crashing onto the ground, both landing right on their hinges. Eyepieces and other stuff went tumbling into the dead and dried grass.

    That sucked the wind right out of my sails. Nothing was hurt except for the cases. They both now had a severe overbite. That was easily cured by pushing the back panels back into place. Good as new. It did however, take me quite a while to get all the dead grass out of the foam and stuff.

    Then back to overcast and rain and thunderstorms until this evening.

    Today was pretty much socked in overcast and very windy, a continuation of the terrible sky conditions. Late this afternoon though, the clouds began breaking formation and the wind began to ebb nicely. About 1830 hrs. I moved the Mak out into the yard and then the dob. Hardly any breeze at all this time. The temperature was much cooler this evening, hovering around the high 30°'s (about 4° C). I had to put my winter observing gear on.

    I made it out to the scope about 2030 hrs. and prior to the rise of the Moon.

    I started out with the 4.7mm in the dob. I just goofed around with it a bit, looked at Sirius and basically just panned about. Finally I settled on Jupiter. The seeing conditions seemed pretty good this evening. The focus was a tad on the soft side, but that's pretty much expected at 323x. The view was fairly bright though, and good banding and detail were present on Jupiter. This is a good eyepiece. I know it won't get utilized as much as my other ES eyepieces, but for planet views when the seeing is good, it will really shine.

    Moving over to the Mak, I plugged in the hand controller and fired up the mount. I let it sit for a bit to give the GPS time to pull in the time and lat/long info. I then chose a two-star alignment. My first star was Aldebaran. It took me a few minutes, using the Vite 23mm, to get the star centered. I next chose Dubhe as my next star. That one took me about 10 minutes to center. I still don't quite have the RDF on the scope lined up. Anyway, I finally decided I had Dubhe centered, so I hit enter and the hand controller cheerfully informed me that the alignment was successful.

    I then told it to goto Jupiter. Off it slewed and ended up a few degrees above and to the left of Jupiter. Sigh. So, I manually slewed down and rightward and finally had a bright blob centered. I cranked on the focus knob one way and the blob got blobbier, so I cranked on the knob the other way and the blob sharpened a wee bit then got blobby again. So I went back the other way and settled on just a plain blob. I could barely make out the two equatorial bands. Hmm.

    Moving back over to the dob, I put in my ES 82° 8.8mm and sited Jupiter with my telrad and moved to the eyepiece. A quick focus and WOW! This was probably one of the best views of Jupiter I've ever had. As a bonus, a bright red Great Red Spot was beginning its transit across the face. Nice! I could even see markings and detail between the equatorial bands, and even some swirls and festoons! Several temperate bands were showing too.

    Down below Jupiter were Ganymede and Callisto, and up above were Io and Europa. I sat on the planet for several minutes thoroughly enjoying the view.

    Moving back over to the Mak, Jupiter had wandered off to the side of the FOV a bit, so I got it re-centered. I fiddled with the focus a bit more but I could not get to sharpen up any better.

    I then swapped out the Vite 23mm for the 10mm. Jupiter was larger now, but again, soft focus and I could not get it to sharpen up. Things were much dimmer too compared to the dob. Of course, 90mm of aperture compared to 12" is going to be dimmer. Also, as I cranked on the focus knob, Jupiter would move off to the side of the FOV. And, the image would jump around considerably. I'd have to wait on that to settle before I cranked on it again.

    Dang, these Vites were not very good at all.

    So I went back to the dob and enjoyed more fine views through the 8.8mm. Man, Jupiter was really looking sexy tonight. The GRS was quite bright and apparent. The seeing was very steady with only an occasional fuzzing up.

    On a whim, I grabbed the Vites, removed the ES, and put the 23mm into the dob's focuser. Back on Jupiter, I sharpened up the focus quite nicely. Jupiter was smaller of course, but still quite bright. The banding was still present as well as the GRS. I panned around a bit. I noted that while the stars in the center of the FOV were crystal clear and sharp, those around the edges were rather distorted. That was to be expected though with a cheap eyepiece and a fast scope.

    Moving back to Jupiter, I swapped out the 23mm for the Vite 10mm. Again, Jupiter was quite bright and the view wasn't too far off from the ES 8.8mm. Lots of nice detail was seen. I tried out the 4mm too in the dob and it offered a fairly decent view, not too much of an un-improvement from the ES 4.7mm

    Thus, my conclusion on the Vites is that these are decent eyepieces. For $25.00 for the set of three, they are outstanding eyepieces. Not so good around the edges with a fast scope, but with a slower one, they should hold their own fairly well.

    I'm not sure what to make of this Mak then. Since this is the only one I've ever operated or even looked through, I can't compare it to anything but my dob.

    My well collimated dob offered a bright and extremely detailed view tonight. The Mak, a dim and blurry view. I know these scopes are touted as planet killers, but that sure wasn't happening for me tonight. I'll keep working with it and hopefully I can get it dialed in soon.

    I'm still not sure about this goto business either. I need to work on that and get some more practice in.

    So anyway, the Vites are definitely worth the money. Loved the ES 4.7mm too. I just need to get the 6.7mm to complete my set.

    The Moon was up and terrorizing the place with bright light, casting long shadows across the yard. Not much else to look at for me. I'd done what I'd set out to do, mostly, so I packed up and came inside.

    So that's what I did. Cloudy and rainy again for the next three days. Next Monday and Tuesday are presently scheduled to be clear, so hopefully I can get in some galaxy work then.

    Peace and clear skies friends.
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    Default Re: Some Eyepiece First Lights

    Great report, Bryan! Sounds like quite an eventful (and interesting) evening! Sounds like go-to is an acquired skill.

    The 4.7mm ES sounds like it is working out well. I really want that ES 6.7 also! Next week I should finally have clear skies and get a chance to try the Delos.

    Thanks for the great write-up!
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    Default Re: Some Eyepiece First Lights

    I love Maks. My favorite small scope is my MK66. It takes time for thermals to settle down well before the work though. The MK66 is a true Rumak design with three collimating screws on the secondary. When it isn't in thermal equilibrium one sees distinct triangular stars! (I attribute this to thermal stresses in the corrector plate since the collimating screws are heat sinks.)

    Your Mak if I remember right, has a silvered spot on the corrector so you'll get blobs not triangles. I suspect the Mak hadn't thermalized well. It can take a half hour or more for a small Mak to become thermally happy.

    Alternatively, it could be that your Mak is out of collimating. A Rumak Mak can be laser collimated (I like the Baader SCT laser collimator for this task). If (as I suspect) your Mak is of the spot on the corrector kind then a trip back to the factory may be necessary.

    Small Maks can be killer portable planetary scopes and should play well with inexpensive eyepieces. Thermal equilibrium and collimating are essential though. If the temperature is dropping while you're trying to observe a Mak might never equilibrate.

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    Default Re: Some Eyepiece First Lights

    Nice report Bryan. I, myself, am trying to decide on getting either the ES 8.8 to the 6.7. Tough decision.
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    Default Re: Some Eyepiece First Lights

    Geez Bryan sounds like a near miss with that tornado great report I do agree with Maks they do have not as good an image at the the reflector or SCT I have my ETX 125 when I have it at a nice dark site and use a 25mm EP I do get some nice views on the brighter Deep sky objects but yes when you point it at the Planets this is where it come in to it own but it sounds like yours might had a collimation issue anyway love ya work .
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    Default Re: Some Eyepiece First Lights

    Terrific report, Bryan! I'll admit that you made me tired as I jumped from scope-to-scope along with you.

    Good to hear that the Vites are decent for $25.

    Maks? You and I are in agreement. My little Mak (90mm) does quite well in its role, sitting in the gazebo for occasional, quick Jupiter views. However, the FOV is so small when compared other scopes laying around my house that it's relegated to the "cute" category. (Besides, I don't give a nickel about planets anyway.)

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    Good work Bryan. Hope you figure out the mak, your experiences will help those of us looking at one.
    March has been a tough month. On the nights without clouds it has been high haze, enough wind to turn the 10 into a weather vane and Sirius looking like a strobe light.
    Oh well, that's why we have books and the Forum.
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    With my 90mm mak I can only see two bands on Jupiter and the four moons. That has been my experience. But the views are good as the sky is ok. The view won't be nearly as good as your AD12, but it shouldn't be blurry. Maybe a bit too bright, but not blurry. How does the collimation look on a defocused star? Other than super bright stars are you able to focus stars sharply? I can almost always see 4 trapezium stars in the Orion Neb with mine.
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    Default Re: Some Eyepiece First Lights

    Sounds like a generally frustrating time, Bryan -- as it has been here. But swirls and festoons!! I'm very jealous. To see that kind of detail sounds very, very cool! Keep rockin' it!
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    I love when the seeing settles down like that sounds like a great view of Jupiter! Hopefully you get the stuff with your Mak sorted out soon.
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