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    Default Messier 110 Certificate Report - Messier Meanderings III



    Will start this segment with some of the other views from last night's session. With the galaxies, the 15x63s and the 80mm GoScope are sometimes having a rough time for anything more than a position find, so will include views thru the 8" if needed. Did this with M104 to finish out the 70 list. Mentions of 48x(25mm) and 120x(10mm) will be thru the 8". Will continue to use a star hopping method for all three apertures. Moving between binoculars, refractor and reflector takes a little reordering of perspectives for some of these "walks".

    April 2; 9-11 PM. Mag 4 night. Unsettled weather the last 10 days or so and a fair amount of moisture still in the air. Sky cleared at dusk, so gave it a try. With the galaxies, am a little more reliant on local asterisms as markers.

    71 - M106 Galaxy in Canes Venatici. Sits halfway between Phecda and Chara. Scanned first with the binoculars to look for the 5 CVn to 3 CVn line as that leads right to the galaxy. In that area is a small nondescript star field of 4-5 stars that I used as a marker. Put the RDF in that area and scanned about to look for a dim fuzzy. Took a bit of time to get the orientation correct and verify back and forth. There is a 6 mag star in the area with the galaxy and star field. At 48x, is a dim grey oval fluff ball with no center that I could appreciate.

    72 - M49 Galaxy in Virgo. Much easier hop. Vindemiatrix to the distinctive rho Vir asterism. Continue moving 1.5 FOV over, all the while looking for a triangle sitting next to a single star. The galaxy sits between this grouping and a single star above. Seen thru all three instruments with 48x showing a dim fuzzy with a brighter center.

    73 - M60 Galaxy/Virgo. Taking a wider view there is a tilted "L" that ends at 34 Vir. The top of the rho asterism is 27 Vir. There is a relatively empty area at the apex of these two that is filled not only by M60 but also 59 in the same FOV. Only galaxy "look" in the area. Again did the back and forth to verify. At 48x, M60 is slightly larger and has a central core.

    74 - M59 Galaxy/Virgo. Same path. Is smaller and dimmer than 60 with no core seen.

    75 - M58 Galaxy/Virgo. Don't start over but keep 60/59 in the FOV. Take the 60 to 59 line again 2 FOVs and you will run right into it. Sits next to an 8 mag star almost as a double - very close. Looks more like M60 with a bit of a bright core.

    Thin clouds started to drift in so rolled it up.

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    Default Re: Messier 110 Certificate Report - Messier Meanderings III

    Hi pb2au,

    It sounds like you had a nice night of observing in the Virgo area. It sure provides some nice views, doesn't it? Look forward to continuing to read your reports as you get closer to the M110. I'm right on the cusp of the M70 but need a clear night or two to track down the remainder. Unfortunately we have rain/clouds in the forecast until next week here in the Bay Area. I hope it improves soon...
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    Good luck with your observations!
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    Default Re: Messier 110 Certificate Report - Messier Meanderings III

    Hello Pb2au. A nice report from you. This is quite an amazing accomplishment, considering the skies, and you are only using the binoculars, the GoScope, and an 8" Dob. Keep us posted on your progress to the M110 award, and best of regards.
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    Default Re: Messier 110 Certificate Report - Messier Meanderings III

    Thanks to each of you for the encouraging words. Gives me a nice opportunity to expand a bit on my local skies and techniques separate from the log reports. We all live in distinctly different areas - loved Joe's report the other day about logging the bear and her cub. Since taking this up a year and a half ago, pay more attention to the weather. FL gets it from both the Atlantic and the Gulf. Googled the highest place in FL and it's Sugarloaf Mtn @ 312 ft on the peninsula and Britton Hill @ 345 ft in the panhandle, so everything blows right over. Michael is in the Oakland/ Berkeley hills with peaks of 1700-1900 ft. But the fog can pour right thru the Golden Gate Bridge at a moments notice and ruin one's evening in a heartbeat.

    I live in a relatively rural area(orange/yellow) south of San Jose(white). No sidewalks, no street lights, few neighbors, so my eastern sky is bit towards green. I only report on 4-5 mag sessions. Lick Observatory on the top of Mt. Hamilton(4209 ft) lies about 30 miles to my N/E. Building started in 1876, so was set up to take advantage of the good weather conditions long ago. A naturally good place to be. My southern end of Santa Clara Valley is only 10-12 miles wide with 3200 ft mts to the E and W so usually no fog. This gives me a huge advantage in that many of the "markers" in the sky are plain visuals. Take a look at my March 10 report and not only were M7/8 visual but as you read thru it, so were all the other markers. Makes use of the RDF easy, so limits the amount of wandering thru the eye piece.

    If you start at the beginning of the thread, you'll see I started out with the 15x63s and the 80x350mm refractor and moved to the 8" mainly for selected dim objects. Did this deliberately to try to show other beginners that these objects are doable with smaller apertures. Started with my old 7x35 hunting binoculars for a month or so. Went to the 130mm reflector next and then went down to the 80mm GoScope. Didn't get the 8" until about 6 mo. ago. Still do about 75% of viewing with binoculars. Have gotten pretty good at reading patterns/asterisms in the objects "neighborhood" which helps a lot. Another technique I can use with my skies is the "point and shoot" method of finding objects - makes things quicker as well. Finally, read and practice a lot. Star Watch (Harrington) and Celestial Sampler (French) are well worn. The recent adventure into Virgo was also helped by Turn Left at Orion. Each session is also previewed/practiced many times over with Starry Nights. And last but not least, follow this Forums postings and am grateful for all the knowledge passed on so freely.

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    April 8 @ 9:50 PM - April 9 @ 1:10 AM. Morning started with 25-30 mph winds which dropped to 5-8 mph by night. Moved our week of clouds/drizzle out. Was an exceptional night with mag 6 sky and no clouds. Traveled back to the Coma-Virgo Cluster for the most part. Several visits here previously to do "homework" on the markers. Technique as noted in the above post. Relied heavily on Celestial Sampler and TLAO for charts. Also rec by Sue French to make the run at 50x. The 25mm in the 8" gives me 48x. Key to this area is the "T" asterism with 6 Com as the anchor star. Used the 15x63s and 80mm GoScope to give me a perspective on general sky area. Put the RDF there and cast about until it came into view and started at 6 Com.

    76 - M98 Galaxy/Com. Patience is the key here. Gives a new meaning to the word "dim". Put 6 Com at the edge of the FOV and had to wait a minute or two for my eyes to get used to it. Galaxy is right in the center of the FOV. Looks to me like M82-long, slim, no core.

    77 - M99 Galaxy/Com. Move the other direction to the center of the "T" and then down. The 3rd star down is a bright(6 mag) to use as the marker. Next star down in distance and mag(9) then forms a triangle with 99. After staring at 98, this is larger, brighter and has a brighter center. All 3 objects easily fit in the FOV.

    78 - M100 Galaxy/Com. Back up to the top and then the opposite direction from 6 Com. Galaxy sits between the end star and a distinctive field of about 6 stars. Similar look to 99 with a slightly brighter core. For even a closer bracket there are 2 stars to 1 side and 1 to the other.

    79 - M85 Galaxy/Com. Don't leave the M100/star field area, as that is the key to move up to 11 Com as our next hop point. Up two FOV to 11. There are 3 other stars that form a box asterism with 11. Go the opposite way. As 11 moves out of the FOV, M85 starts to roll in. Looks even a little larger and brighter than 99/100. Need to scan about to verify that it sits in the opening of a group of stars that form a "C".

    80/81 - M84/86 Galaxies/Vir. Back-track time from M85 to 11 Com, down to the star field, across the "T" and past 99 to the bottom of the "T". The next move took several practice runs to get it down. From the bottom star, move over 1 1/2 FOV and then down 2 FOV. These 2 come as a pair in the same FOV and look like a couple of headlights. No doubt you're there. The brightest of this entire group with nice bright centers and oval looks. Seem pretty even up to me for sameness.

    82 - M68 GC/Hydra. Run the Algorab to Kraz(beta) line in Corvus. Extend that about 60% to a 5 mag star. Again used the binoculars to set up the area and did the point/shoot method to put the RDF in the neighborhood. Marker to look for here is a line of 4 stars near the 5 mag anchor. At 48x, put that star at the edge of the FOV and the galaxy will sit just below that line and above a single star. Nicely bracketed by a distinctive look. Small and dim. Best I can describe is a graininess at the edges but no individual resolution. It is low in the sky for my area but doable. Sits in a bit of murk so probably why little resolution.

    Still have the middle crew and M61 to complete this area but a couple of thoughts. Liked the 48x, tried 120x a couple of time but magnified dim galaxies are worse in my eyes. Need to take it in small bites. In spite of the multiple scouting visits, still needed many start overs to produce these results. Don't have the experience to try to short-cut the trips and worked better to re-trace the steps. Weather is supposed to be nice the next few days here, so hopefully further reports will be forth coming.

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    Getting closer to the end! Finish off strong!
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    April 10; 3:50-5:15 AM. Good weather continues with no moon, no clouds, no wind. M7/8 are eye visuals. Globular morning. Back to just the 15x63s and the 80mm GoScope. All objects are visible in both with best views at 35x. Basically position finds.

    83 - M69 GC/Sgr. Start at Kaus Australis and move NE up a small hill. Bright(5 mag) star just over the crest. Move just NE up to the next bright(8) star. GC sits just below this star. Small faint, round non-stellar object with no detail.

    84 - M70 GC/Sgr. Move down the same hill to a double star. Move E along 3 brighter(7/7/8 mag) stars. Glob sits just past the 3rd star. Marker is 3 very dim(9) stars just below it. Smallest, dimmest of all in this report. No detail.

    85 - M54 GC/Sgr. Start other end at Ascella at base of the handle. Move W. Two triangle star fields facing opposite directions. One high, one low. Sits at apex between these fields. Brighter and larger than the last two with a better center. No resolution of individual stars.

    86 - M2 GC/Aqr. Moved here next to beat the dawn. Use Sadalmelik and Sadalsuud to form the hypotenuse of a right triangle with M2 at the apex. This is a very reproducible point/shoot technique. Put the RDF on the estimated spot and look for a "L" tilted on its long end. Cluster sits right at the tip of the long end. Bright with a large central core and a nice dimming halo as you move out. No resolution at 35x.

    87 - M75 GC/Sgr. I found it easier to start at the W side of Capricornus than trek that long way from the teapot. Work down Algedi to Dabih(colored double) to the triangle with rho/pi/omicron. Move W from there 2 FOV looking for a rounded bottom "W" asterism. Sits at the bottom of the eastern half. Is the middle of the 3 bottom objects. Dim, non-stellar object with dim(8-9) stars on either side. Needs the 35x. Happy to see it.

    88 - M55 GC/Sgr. Start at Ascella again and move SE looking for a triangle that takes you to 2 vertical stars that points to 2 horizontal stars. These 2 form 1 edge of a large rectangle of stars with 55 sitting right in the middle. Pretty much by itself. It's fairly large with a diffuse look but no resolution.

    Eastern sky started to brighten so wrapped things up.

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    Default Re: Messier 110 Certificate Report - Messier Meanderings III

    Thanks for the nice report pb2au. You're making great progress towards the 110! Thankfully the weather has cleared up, though as I write this a veil of thin high clouds has moved in. Sure wish I could be observing under slightly darker skies - last night was great and I spent more time on the M81 group of galaxies - picking out NGC 2976 and something that was a bit fainter, I'd guess mag 12 or 13. I have a problem with Sagittarius and Scorpius being behind the trees most of the time so I'll have to come up with a bit of a workaround to get around the problem. Keep going and good luck, you should be complete in no time! My elevation by the way is around 1400 feet - pretty near to Grizzly Peak and Vollmer Peak in the Hills.
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    April 11 @ 10:30 PM - April 12 @ 12:45 AM. Nice evening at 52* to start, no wind, no clouds and 5 mag sky. Back to complete The Coma-Virgo Galaxy Cluster. Continue the galaxy search with the 8" at 48x. Star/galaxy hopping thru the EP as the RDF is only good here to start at Vindemiatrix and Denebola. Chart 4/page 107 in Turn Left was invaluable. Detailed map of associated stars/fields/groupings helped immensely.

    89 - M61 Galaxy/Vir. Start at M49 and move SW. Nice 4 star wedge points to a double star set which points to the string of stars containing 61. Sits closer to the 1st 2 faint stars(6/8 mag) than the farther, brighter star(16 Vir). Dim, diffuse smudge with no core. Weakest of this entire group. Really a position find even at 48x.

    90 - M87 Galaxy/Vir. Fun begins here. Back to 84/86. There is a 3rd star at the bottom of the FOV to mark these two even more. Everything from here on are FOV moves and associated stars fields. Put 86 at the left FOV and move R for 2 fields and then up one. Pass over two other galaxies when moving across. Sits next to a bright star as a marker. Nice halo with a bright core. Reasonably large as these go. I like it the best of all.

    91 - M89 Galaxy/Vir. Put 87 at left edge and move right slowly. As 87 leaves, 89 rolls in. Bracketed by 2 stars in a small field. Not quite as bright as 87 but does have a nice halo.

    92 - M90 Galaxy/Vir. Move down thru a nice star field. M89 and 90 both fit in the same FOV at each edge. Faint with no core.

    93 - M91 Galaxy/Com. Directly down from 90 and pass a cluster at the R edge as a marker. Come on another faint galaxy smudge with no core.

    94 - M88 Galaxy/Com. Marker here is that as you move left, 91 moves out as 88 moves in. Sits in a field of five stars. Diffuse glow with no center.

    See why so many readings/threads describe this as a "galaxy" hop. Certainly is.

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