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    Default Re: Convince me to steer away from an Orion SkyQuest XT4.5 to an XT6



    Just a few cents thrown-in...

    You say the prime targets are the Moon and Planets. Well with either scope, you are limiting your entire astronomical target list count to less than 10. And it is not like you can see anything appreciable past Saturn. And they are not all visible all times of the year.

    Now any time of year, there are "bright" DSOs (galaxies, clusters, etc). I mean Charles Messier did it with ancient equipment. A look at the Orion nebula might change your mind on the targets.
    If this is the case, you will be much happier, and can get more utility, out of the 6" scope.

    It should weigh less than one of the children you are taking out of the car. I think of the number of times I did that, after a long car ride.

    Go for a 6", and perhaps (as mentioned) look at a collapsible model like the SkyWatcher 6".

    Last bit of consideration, and paraphrasing from the great and wise Rod Mollise: "..the best scope is the one that you use the most." If the 6" is just too big to move, then bite the bullet and stick with the 4" size. Or go different with a small refractor, or computer-driven scope. You deserve it as much as either the wife or kids. A good hobby will keep you happy, which is essential for the good of the family. A small bit of narcissism is healthy.

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    Default Re: Convince me to steer away from an Orion SkyQuest XT4.5 to an XT6

    Wow, your response deserves a longer response on my part. I need to digest that, do some research and then get back to you. Thanks for all your feedback!

    Quote Originally Posted by 12richardk View Post
    If your prime targets will be the moon and planets then a 127 mak or a 5 inch SCT are great and much more portable than a 4.5 Dobs , a 4.5 dobs is quite small and needs a table for comfortable viewing
    Yes, another drawback for me is having to lug out a table when I already have two little things + the scope to lug around.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wire View Post
    34 lbs to me is not a lot. I'm 66 and 170 lbs and move a 8xt up and down steps as well as an 8se and also a cgem mount and tripod total weight is about 65 lbs and not to forget the counterweights and the 30 lb. OTA. Go for the 6xt, and if you're feeling Hulky go for the 8xt.

    Did you look at the Skywatcher 6. They collapse, should fit in the Mazda well.
    I did look at the Skywatcher 6 but assumed it was very similar or identical to the XT6. I know the Skywatcher has a better finderscope from what I've read.

    Quote Originally Posted by a100171 View Post
    Just a few cents thrown-in...

    You say the prime targets are the Moon and Planets. Well with either scope, you are limiting your entire astronomical target list count to less than 10. And it is not like you can see anything appreciable past Saturn. And they are not all visible all times of the year.

    Now any time of year, there are "bright" DSOs (galaxies, clusters, etc). I mean Charles Messier did it with ancient equipment. A look at the Orion nebula might change your mind on the targets.
    If this is the case, you will be much happier, and can get more utility, out of the 6" scope.

    It should weigh less than one of the children you are taking out of the car. I think of the number of times I did that, after a long car ride.

    Go for a 6", and perhaps (as mentioned) look at a collapsible model like the SkyWatcher 6".

    Last bit of consideration, and paraphrasing from the great and wise Rod Mollise: "..the best scope is the one that you use the most." If the 6" is just too big to move, then bite the bullet and stick with the 4" size. Or go different with a small refractor, or computer-driven scope. You deserve it as much as either the wife or kids. A good hobby will keep you happy, which is essential for the good of the family. A small bit of narcissism is healthy.

    Good luck, and stop in to let us know how it goes.
    I didn't know the Skywatcher 6 was collapsable. I'll have to look into that. I think that if the XT4.5 was significantly cheaper than the XT6 instead of just a $25 difference, I'd eat up the XT4.5 pretty quickly. But with similar pricing, it's got me thinking maybe too much about it.

    I'll definitely let you know how it goes. Thanks.

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    Default Re: Convince me to steer away from an Orion SkyQuest XT4.5 to an XT6

    OleCuss, I looked at the 100mm ED-Doublet this evening and it's pretty impressive. Out of my league as far as pricing goes for the time being, but I'll keep it on my list as a second telescope. I'm guessing your experience with the reflectors was indeed probably poorly collimated ones or no cool down period as that's the first I've heard of poor experiences with reflectors. The concern I have about refractors within by <$300 price range is that the blues and reds I understand don't arrive at the eyepiece at the same time or in the same place which makes for some discoloration. Correcting that seems to be by using a higher grade lens which increases the cost quite substantially.

    I think I'll really just have to see the XT6 in person to judge how big it really is. Will probably take my wife's car out there to check it. If I really get into this hobby/interest though, there's a chance I might take my own car which is much smaller and go out on my own on a random night with just me and the scope. In that case, I'd want a much smaller scope. I do value the portable size of a scope, but it's not really a make or break. I don't need it super duper small.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozman13 View Post
    If portability were a big factor for me (sometimes it is) and I were keeping the aperture below 6", I would get a 4" refractor instead of a reflector. Sharper optics, travels better, and no worries with collimation. Because of the central obstruction in the reflector, the refractor will gather just as much light.
    My concern with refractors is the discoloration unless I get a fancy one beyond my budget of $300ish USD.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wire View Post
    34 lbs to me is not a lot. I'm 66 and 170 lbs and move a 8xt up and down steps as well as an 8se and also a cgem mount and tripod total weight is about 65 lbs and not to forget the counterweights and the 30 lb. OTA. Go for the 6xt, and if you're feeling Hulky go for the 8xt.

    Did you look at the Skywatcher 6. They collapse, should fit in the Mazda well.
    I can surely pick up 34lbs but would want to avoid it when I have 2 kids + their bags + loads of other things to carry around back and forth. The XT8 definitely is not on my list. That thing is massive. Good for if it's used on a single level in the same house but that's just not the case for me. I don't doubt the image quality and joy it'll provide. It's just not practical for me to get that big.

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    Default Re: Convince me to steer away from an Orion SkyQuest XT4.5 to an XT6

    Quote Originally Posted by Constellasian View Post
    My concern with refractors is the discoloration unless I get a fancy one beyond my budget of $300ish USD.
    The discoloration (CA) is seen only on the brightest of objects (very few) and can be drastically reduced (usually to unnoticeable levels) in a number of ways. A very affordable variable polarizing filter does a good job or you can make a mask to stop the scope down for FREE. Many refractors come with a cover for the dew shield that has a hole already in it that is used for this.
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    Default Re: Convince me to steer away from an Orion SkyQuest XT4.5 to an XT6

    Hello Constellasian,

    OleCuss really nailed it I think. Strictly limiting myself to the question, I voted for the XT6 (hands down) and would go further to suggest the XT8. Orion sells tons of these models for good reason.

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    Default Re: Convince me to steer away from an Orion SkyQuest XT4.5 to an XT6

    XT8 definitely is not under consideration due to the sheer size of the thing. If its primary home was going to be in a single location, I'd strongly consider. In my case though, I know for certain I'll be moving it around regularly. The XT8 just wouldn't be practical for my particular purpose. I don't doubt it's a quality scope. For now it's between an XT4.5 or XT6 and possibly a refractor as some have suggested above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constellasian View Post
    I can surely pick up 34lbs but would want to avoid it when I have 2 kids + their bags + loads of other things to carry around back and forth. The XT8 definitely is not on my list. That thing is massive. Good for if it's used on a single level in the same house but that's just not the case for me. I don't doubt the image quality and joy it'll provide. It's just not practical for me to get that big.
    Not even a collapsible Dob? This 8" is only slightly above your budget: https://www.opticsplanet.com/sky-wat...aign=connexity
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    Default Re: Convince me to steer away from an Orion SkyQuest XT4.5 to an XT6

    Naw, I think I gotta stick with something more simple. I'm super new at this. I get pretty hardcore when I get into something (e.g. changing out the computers in paintball markers back in the day to have them shoot quicker and in bursts, overvolting an electric ice chest to bring speed up from 12mph to 22mph but I still typically start out with a more basic but flexible/upgradable unit). 8" is just really too big for me. Pricepoint is also higher than I'm comfortable spending. I'm not expecting a ton and refusing to spend more than $150-200. I'm okay with something around $300 or high $200's as I'm seeing that's pretty much what's required w/o compromising on poor quality tripods, eye pieces, etc. $425 for the collapsible 8" is just stretching it too far. Thanks for the response though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constellasian View Post
    Naw, I think I gotta stick with something more simple. I'm super new at this. I get pretty hardcore when I get into something (e.g. changing out the computers in paintball markers back in the day to have them shoot quicker and in bursts, overvolting an electric ice chest to bring speed up from 12mph to 22mph but I still typically start out with a more basic but flexible/upgradable unit). 8" is just really too big for me. Pricepoint is also higher than I'm comfortable spending. I'm not expecting a ton and refusing to spend more than $150-200. I'm okay with something around $300 or high $200's as I'm seeing that's pretty much what's required w/o compromising on poor quality tripods, eye pieces, etc. $425 for the collapsible 8" is just stretching it too far. Thanks for the response though.
    In that case I agree with Oz and Ole, get a small refractor instead. More compact, easier viewing and less fussy. With a 4.5" or 6" Dob you would be crawling on the ground to get to the eyepiece, and putting it on a table will not work well.
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