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    Quote Originally Posted by ic_1101 View Post
    I used to use an IDAS LPS-D1 on my dslr and got decent resilts. Not sure if it would work with a cmos.
    I was just looking at the asi1600mc pro and saw that it has been discontinued. Too bad it got great reviews.
    The asi071mc pro is interesting but pricy. I guess ZWO will be pushing their asi294mc pro but it still has some issues with amp glow. Decisions, decisions
    QHY has their QHY163C which is the same sensor assy (Panasonic 34230PJL) as the ZWO ASI1600MC Pro. In fact it's the same as your QHY183M just with the Bayer Matrix on it.
    Most of the CMOS sensors suffer from some amp glow. It's because they are taking off the shelf sensor assy's that where never designed for low light long exposure use. But fortunately darks readily clean the amp glow up. Most of the new and larger CMOS sensors are only available in OSC versions. The exception is the new Sony IMX411 - 150MP and Sony IMX461 - 100MP which is available in Mono and OSC.

    I have both Mono and OSC cameras. You save a little bit of time with a OSC, but not all that much. Light Pollution is harder to deal with using a OSC. There is no difference when dealing with Light Pollution between a CMOS and CCD type of sensor. Light Pollution is x% of your signal no matter which type of sensor you use or whether you use long or short exposures. LPR filters may help to some extent. The only two ways to combat Light Pollution is use Narrow Band filters or go to a dark sky site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JML View Post
    Pairing a OSC camera for the rgb data with a mono camera for the narrow band data can speed up your data collection and processing by a significant amount of time. Right now I don't do this, but a friend in my astronomy club does. Most of the time I just collect lum and Ha data with my camera and mix them together to produce color images. The lum data takes just about no time at all to collect and helps me to get the framing that I want, then I collect the Ha data for as long as I can.
    I can see how that would be advantageous John. How do you like the asi1600mc pro? That's the camera that I would have considered buying, too bad it's been discontinued.
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    Default Re: At the crossroads of this hobby

    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls72 View Post
    QHY has their QHY163C which is the same sensor assy (Panasonic 34230PJL) as the ZWO ASI1600MC Pro. In fact it's the same as your QHY183M just with the Bayer Matrix on it.
    Most of the CMOS sensors suffer from some amp glow. It's because they are taking off the shelf sensor assy's that where never designed for low light long exposure use. But fortunately darks readily clean the amp glow up. Most of the new and larger CMOS sensors are only available in OSC versions. The exception is the new Sony IMX411 - 150MP and Sony IMX461 - 100MP which is available in Mono and OSC.

    I have both Mono and OSC cameras. You save a little bit of time with a OSC, but not all that much. Light Pollution is harder to deal with using a OSC. There is no difference when dealing with Light Pollution between a CMOS and CCD type of sensor. Light Pollution is x% of your signal no matter which type of sensor you use or whether you use long or short exposures. LPR filters may help to some extent. The only two ways to combat Light Pollution is use Narrow Band filters or go to a dark sky site.
    I have been happy with my qhy163m so maybe it's worth considering the qhy163c. Not as hard on the wallet as the asi071mc pro.
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    Default Re: At the crossroads of this hobby

    Quote Originally Posted by ic_1101 View Post
    I can see how that would be advantageous John. How do you like the asi1600mc pro? That's the camera that I would have considered buying, too bad it's been discontinued.
    I have the asi1600mm pro. It is my first Astro camera so I have little to compare it to. I like the low noise and the sensor size. I can match it with scopes of different focal lengths to frame a wide range of different size DSOs.
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    Hi there, I can't offer any advice on the cameras but looking at all your images , they look really great. Perhaps your just being a bit hard on yourself . It is a demanding hobby for sure maybe you could just move aside to something new to tweak your interest for a while. And in that time the gear you want will even get cheaper so thats a bonus. I've been stuck for various reasons for months and all I've had to offer is the occasional bit of encouragement , I doubt the skills you've aquired for those great images came easy. Just keep em sharp for now. Best of luck.
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    Hi Alex. I have been considering going to a OSC from the DSLR. I like the field of view I get with the APS-C sensor so am considering the ASI071MC Pro. Just a dream at this point. I like the idea of the controllable temperature relieving the need for constant dark library maintenance.

    If you can hang on to the gear, perhaps you can just take a break from the hobby while life sorts itself out. You never know when your situation might change. The interest in hobbies is supposed to be able to come and go, that's why they call them hobbies My other main hobby is model ship building, and I have a Bluenose schooner build in progress. Due to time constraints I haven't done anything with it in a couple of years, but I will get back at it some day, perhaps after I retire.

    If we find a cure for the weather, maybe we can win a Nobel Prize! In the meantime we just need to deal with what comes along. This year has been bad around here as well, but that doesn't mean next year will be bad too. Best wishes to you!

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    Thank you for your kind wishes Phill and Bob, I probably wouldn't feel like this if at least there were a few clear nights a month. Nothing to be done with the weather I guess but to complain about it.
    I don't intend on selling any of my gear and am seriously considering a OSC as I could hopefully capture more targets in the short times I have available.
    I also am looking at the ASI071MC Bob but I think it's a little too pricy for my budget especially with the devalued Canadian dollar. The asi294mc pro or the qhy163c might be a better option. Still trying to sort things out.
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    I totally agree with Bob about hobbies. I stopped viewing for 2 years until I setup an EAA outfit that can be run indoors. I put my keyboard away about 6 months ago and will get it out when the winter hits. Don't let a "soft spot" kill your hobby take a break and wait till the urge gets rekindled. Sometimes you will need to let a hobby go, but IMHO not before you let it be for a while and then try again. Now I don't have anything that is so expensive that I feel back about not using it for a while but even in my photography/video gear where I do have some expensive I still just "layoff" when I feel pressure or need a creative break. Good luck. I went through a period about 15 years ago with a terminally ill wife and did hospice at home.I know the stress you are under and I wish you the very best of luck.
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    I too am getting a bit weary of the hobby. I'm starting to think with all the money that I have invested in this hobby, is it worth it. My views are extremely limited because of the light pollution I'm faced with Bortle 8-9. And going to a dark area would be an excursion at least 100 miles west, to where? Thinking of unloading most of this equipment.
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    Sorry to hear this. We all reach a day when the motivation wanes, and the time and effort is not possible or realistic. Maybe you can sell some of your gear and keep a few optics still, eg small optics. I went to Slooh.com, they are interesting, you can see all DSO and planets and sun, for a little or no cost.
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