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    Default Re: Crazy pricing on "Atlas of the Messier Objects"



    Quote Originally Posted by Gabby76 View Post
    Even the SA 2000 second edition is getting a bit ridiculous: https://www.amazon.ca/Sky-Atlas-2000...SIN=0521627621

    I paid about 100 Euro each for the first and second editions. (inset head shaking smilie here)
    Oooof! That is high and pushing up close to the price of a laminated 2nd edition direct from S&T. I actually had a laminated field version, black sky with white stars, for a very short period. It was excessively heavy and I had a lot of difficulty reading it with a red light. I still prefer white sky with black stars. I also found the glaring from the lamination bothersome. I sold it quickly for what I paid for it, so I was not out anything. One of the few times I have ever sold an atlas, but I flat out didn't care for it! I used that money to by a desk version 2nd edition (red cover).
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    Default Re: Crazy pricing on "Atlas of the Messier Objects"

    Sell it! Astronomy books are so cheap these days, nobody buys them. People will soon forget the historical significance, so sell...
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    Default Re: Crazy pricing on "Atlas of the Messier Objects"

    I still enjoy using my second edition (desk) when planning sessions.
    I have tried a few different laminated versions of atlases and find the same as you which reduces their functionality greatly.
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    Default Re: Crazy pricing on "Atlas of the Messier Objects"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabby76 View Post
    I still enjoy using my second edition (desk) when planning sessions.
    I have tried a few different laminated versions of atlases and find the same as you which reduces their functionality greatly.
    For the most part with scopes ranging from the 80mm on up I utilize Interstellarum as my field atlas. If we are at the dark site with the big dob, then I will sometimes bring Uranometria out since it plots stuff IDSA does not. For planning purposes I may also consult the GAS since it is deeper still. But it
    is simply is too large for easy field use (I would need a bigger table!). I just leave it at the dark site house as that is the only place where its depth really becomes useful. In my view one can never have too many atlases.
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    Default Re: Crazy pricing on "Atlas of the Messier Objects"

    Here is another exceptionally written, informative, and unique book: Craig Crossen & Gerald Rhemann "Sky Vistas:Astronomy for Binoculars and Richest-Field Telescopes" by SpringerWienNewYork 2004. the originally had great glossy photos. Hard to find and not cheap but glad I found it a few years ago.
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    Default Re: Crazy pricing on "Atlas of the Messier Objects"

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    Another example I recall, though less pricey, was when Cambridge released the second edition of the Double Star Atlas. They removed the optical doubles from the data tables and only listed true binaries, though the atlas still plotted and marked opticals. The first edition was primarily focused on the optical doubles that folks knew and loved. Well the prices in the used market for the first edition zoomed up to over $50 and some I saw asking around $100. They have since dropped back down, as normally happens after a while when no one pays the high prices. But its not unusual to see them for about the same price as a new second edition. Everyone is looking to make a fast buck, and its usually those that have no interest in the subject matter anyway, just dealers.
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    Good to know- I've got the 2nd & still search for a deal on the 1st edition - I kind of view them as a set....
    There are apparently some new ones still out there for $210 US
    In this case much of the inflation may have been the "loss" of accidental pairs & negative reaction to it. Who knows, Alberio may not be in the 3rd edition.
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    Good to know- I've got the 2nd & still search for a deal on the 1st edition - I kind of view them as a set....
    There are apparently some new ones still out there for $210 US
    In this case much of the inflation may have been the "loss" of accidental pairs & negative reaction to it. Who knows, Alberio may not be in the 3rd edition.
    There are many who are devoted to the 1st edition because it was heavily focused on the optical doubles. That said, the 1st is in no way worth that much money, I don't care what it may contain or what changes were made to the 2nd edition that some felt were simply the wrong direction to take. I know Bruce MacEvoy staunchly defends the direction he took in the 2nd edition, which is of course understandable. His view is that binaries should be of more interest because of their scientific importance.

    I get that, but in reality, the vast majority of amateurs will never do observing that contributes to science. We do it for our own enjoyment of the hobby, not scientific research. So I think that is the source of some of the disappointment with the 2nd edition. Most of us have favorite doubles that we enjoy for their aesthetic beauty. Thus, most really are not that concerned as to whether they are a true binary or the result of a pure happenstance of line of sight positioning.

    Some may buy the 2nd edition even if they have the 1st because they are different. Some may not, again, because of the differences. Obviously that is up to the individual. Regardless, this whole thing about over charging for a version that is out of print is a pathetic attempt by some to make a buck off of someone's sentimentality for an older edition. I do not own either edition, as I am not focused much on doubles, and quite honestly most of the atlases I have plot more doubles than I would ever look at in my lifetime. But if I were to run across the 1st edition at a very reasonable price, then I might buy one, if for nothing else than to simply add it to the collection I already have.
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    Default Re: Crazy pricing on "Atlas of the Messier Objects"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabby76 View Post
    Even the SA 2000 second edition is getting a bit ridiculous: https://www.amazon.ca/Sky-Atlas-2000...SIN=0521627621

    I paid about 100 Euro each for the first and second editions. (inset head shaking smilie here)
    If you think that is bad, take a look at this! At least they offer free shipping and a 5% discount! They are obviously under the influence of something - like greed!

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...n=new&qid=&sr=


    And then you have the mainstream vendor:

    https://www.shopatsky.com/sky-atlas-...ield-laminated



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    I knew there was a reason I refuse to buy anything from Amazon or ebay!
    That price is just ridiculous!
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    Default Re: Crazy pricing on "Atlas of the Messier Objects"

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    I knew there was a reason I refuse to buy anything from Amazon or ebay!
    That price is just ridiculous!
    Well, I've bought many things from both sources, and sold on Ebay. But, buyers do have to exhibit self-control and just simple common sense. Know your market, know what the value is. The used market on Amazon and particularly Ebay is not the best place to obtain that info. Astronomical classifieds tend to be more realistic, though some try to gouge there as well.

    I can't even recall the number of times that I have witnessed used items selling on Ebay for sometimes far more than buying the same thing new. People simply don't bother to check, or, they get caught up in the frenzy of bidding. If there is something there I want, I already know the most I would pay for it. I also know that in most cases, there will always be another one show up at some point if I don't get the one currently on sale. But some folks simply have no patience and/or restraint. Which is great for the seller!
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