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    Default Re: Best beginner scopes for star clusters and planet viewing



    Thanks all for the suggestions. I have today bought some 8x40 bino's and an EQ5 mount just need the motors for tracking which I will buy at a later date. Just need a scope now any suggestions? The scope will be used for observing aswell as AP but I would lean more to observing at the beginning. So with that in mind what would be the biggest aperture I could put on the mount knowing it will be used for both cases?

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    Default Re: Best beginner scopes for star clusters and planet viewing

    Depending on which EQ-5 mount you have gotten will determine the capacity.
    The ones with an aluminium tripod have a realistic capacity due to the poor tripod of around 9kg visual, 4.5kg photographic.
    If it has the 2" steel legs then you can add another 2.3kg or so visual and 1.1kg photographic
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    Default Re: Best beginner scopes for star clusters and planet viewing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabby76 View Post
    Depending on which EQ-5 mount you have gotten will determine the capacity.
    The ones with an aluminium tripod have a realistic capacity due to the poor tripod of around 9kg visual, 4.5kg photographic.
    If it has the 2" steel legs then you can add another 2.3kg or so visual and 1.1kg photographic
    https://www.rothervalleyoptics.co.uk...nt-tripod.html

    It doesn't state but it is this one??

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    Default Re: Best beginner scopes for star clusters and planet viewing

    Capacity will be about 11kg, I have used one of these visually for years. A nice solid mount.
    For long exposure AP you will want to keep camera/ accessories to around 50-60% of capacity.
    Refractors: Antares 105 f/15, Celestron 150 f/8, Stellarvue NHNG 80 f/6.9, TAL 100RS f/10, TS 102 f/11, UR 70 f/10, Vixen SD115s f/7.7
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    Default Re: Best beginner scopes for star clusters and planet viewing

    After some more looking online it seems Skywatcher does not say what size the tripod actually is but they list the capacity at 9.10kg: Sky-Watcher | Sky-Watcher Global Website
    They are either being conservative which is typically unlike Skywatcher or it has the 1.75" steel legs instead of the 2".
    I would check with the retailer before ordering it.
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    Default Re: Best beginner scopes for star clusters and planet viewing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabby76 View Post
    Capacity will be about 11kg, I have used one of these visually for years. A nice solid mount.
    For long exposure AP you will want to keep camera/ accessories to around 50-60% of capacity.
    Now to choose a scope that will give me the best of both worlds for the journey I am about to begin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabby76 View Post
    Capacity will be about 11kg, I have used one of these visually for years. A nice solid mount.
    For long exposure AP you will want to keep camera/ accessories to around 50-60% of capacity.
    I've already ordered it was the maximum I could spend so got the best I could afford if it means upgrading the legs at some point this is not an issue

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    Default Re: Best beginner scopes for star clusters and planet viewing

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean90 View Post
    Now to choose a scope that will give me the best of both worlds for the journey I am about to begin
    I made a reply in your other thread about a telescope.
    Refractors: Antares 105 f/15, Celestron 150 f/8, Stellarvue NHNG 80 f/6.9, TAL 100RS f/10, TS 102 f/11, UR 70 f/10, Vixen SD115s f/7.7
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    Default Re: Best beginner scopes for star clusters and planet viewing

    Quote Originally Posted by larrywalls View Post
    To stop the monumental vertical drift , that Shorty Barlow mentioned, just tighten up the large bolt / nut that controls the vertical movement, its a common adjustment on many AZ3s ! Nothing wrong with the AZ3, I have 3 and they perform well for my scopes, on one I had to tighten it up similarly !
    I'm not the only person to have serious issues with the AZ3, either the Sky-Watcher version or its Orion equivalent. I tried tightening the altitude bolt but I'm pretty convinced the lock washer is inadequate. In fact I tightened the bolt so much it was physically difficult to move the OTA up and down. Even then there was drift. It's possible that a more balanced scope would work, but I was originally using a stock ST80 which is small and light.

    I'm glad you have had some success with the AZ3, but I can't in all honesty recommend it. Mine ended up in a skip (dumpster). I have some pictures of mine with the ST80 but I can't upload them. I knew someone who got the Orion equivalent to work by gluing some form of abrasive onto the lock washer. This gave it the necessary friction to work properly. I assumed it was a design flaw but if you have three that work maybe it is just a quality control issue.

    The other aspect is that the weight of the OTA is above the pivot point on the AZ3 which also adds to instability.



    With Vixen and Vixen-style mounts the pivot is situated mid way making the whole assembly more balanced.

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