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    Default Time for a new camera...



    Thought this was more suited to the beginner area than the imaging group as it really is a beginner question.
    Iím an unashamed newbie to this game (Iíve only posted my intro so far).
    Itís time for a new DSLR camera and Iím looking for advice or thoughts.
    So, some background. Iíd put myself in what the magazines insist on pigeonholing as the Ďprosumerí group. Iím a competent photographer (semi-pro back in 35mm days) but Iím no gadget-head. My current workhorse is a Sony A100 that has to be 14 years old. Itís still winning the odd comp for me but the world has moved on and I want to try my hand at some night sky photography and itís just not up to it.
    I care far more about quality and reliability than I do about gimmicks. The Sonyís been around the world with me, itís been used and abused to way past its limits.
    Iím no expert, but Iím pretty comfortable in Lightroom and Photoshop, Iíve not had the opportunity to try any night-sky techniques yet, but things like median-stacking and manual alignment are not new concepts.
    I am on a budget though and need another workhorse, but one that is also at home with the night sky.
    Iím currently leaning heavily towards the Nikon 7200D but, paired with a reasonable general purpose zoom, my budget is gone. The other temptation is the Canon 800D (Rebel 7Ti) Ė the lower price on the Canon lets me splash out a bit on some nicer wide-angle glassware.
    Iíd welcome any thoughts you have, what would you do in my place?

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    Default Re: Time for a new camera...

    I would go on dpreview.com and use the studio scene comparison tool at low light. The choices that you offered don't seem particularly good. Here's a comparison between the Sony A7s, Nikon D7200, T7i and Fuji X-a1 (mine):

    https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/ima...dget=1&x=0&y=0

    The Sony A7s is of course superior, next best is the Fuji X-a1 (you can get a body 2nd hand for $100-$200), then your choices. Hopefully that tool will help you making a decision.

    What matters also is what mount are you going to use, and for what focal length. There are star trackers that have a limited weight capacity, AP mounts can handle more.
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    Default Re: Time for a new camera...

    I have a nokon d3s and 3200 the 3200 with high end glass is hard to tell between a d3s. You could go used body. If you want the milky way go wide angle and get a good one cheap body high end glass still has great photos the difference is in the iso cranked up but longer exposure can beat that and a high end d3 is a fast camera

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    Default Re: Time for a new camera...

    I have a sony a7,great for astrophotgraphy ,but still struggles on the very faint ha stuff,especially with the stock filter still in it, just to keep in mind that you might find some targets that are very frustrating to image regardless of how good/sensitive of a dslr you have the internal filter is just a pain.

    do you intend to do wide milky way shots with a fast lens? as well as your daily driver ?if so, what camelhat has listed is superb for that kind of work.

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    Default Re: Time for a new camera...

    I'm sort of in the school that says that you buy the camera to fit the lenses. So if you have great lenses for the Sony A100 and if those lenses would fit a more modern Sony camera, I'd be heavily predisposed to getting another Sony camera.

    As I understand it, Sony is sort of leading the say on the MILC front and just might be a good way to go.

    Now if you didn't get into the Sony lenses too far that equation changes quite a bit. I tend to prefer Canon but a part of that has been because Canon has been just a little more friendly to astronomy over the years.

    But I'd be happy with Sony, Canon, Nikon, etc. Even Pentax makes a camera which effectively corrects for the Earth's rotation over a short time period!
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    Default Re: Time for a new camera...

    You might look for an AP specific camera. I didn't get into AP until it was too late - I looked for a year for a Canon 60DA (A for astronomy). I think I read somewhere where Nikon is now putting out a specific model for AP. (They have the IR filters removed). In any case I am very happy with my Canon 70D as a dual AP and terrestrial camera, though it is somewhat pricey. Glass? I dunno - my old Minoltas and my wife's Canon had glass lenses. Boy are they heavy! The 70D is so light weight I'm thinking the "glass" is plastic - or else must be pretty thin/lightweight. Make sure you take into account the weight of the camera for AP - mine is about 24oz. (I use a dc adapter for power which is really light weight).
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    Default Re: Time for a new camera...

    If your looking for a general purpose camera, then a DSLR is the way to go. I have friends with a T7i and D7200 and both are fantastic cameras with low noise and take nice night time photos. I don't think you would go wrong with either one of them.

    If you are looking specifically for AP (AstroPhotography), then I would get a dedicated AP camera.
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    Default Re: Time for a new camera...

    Its more about settings you want a lense thats 2.8 or lower for best results. You set the aprature to the lowest number lets the most light in. Then focus infinity then a hair off to be in focus. A good steady tripod is a must. Then 5 to 15 seconds iso 400 800 and 1200. Set the white balance to 3200 or 5500. Then its all about the editing for night photos. You can even paint objects with light its called light painting. The new gopros even do night photos my lg g4 does not bad night photos for a cellphone its tripod and length of time. Best nights tend to be new moons

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    Default Re: Time for a new camera...

    Thanks for your comments everyone. Given me a fair bit to think about.

    Supplementary question...

    What effect does an IR filter removal conversion have on everyday use - does it make the camera an AP only affair?

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    Default Re: Time for a new camera...

    you have to add an ir/uv cut off filter into the imaging train or use a clipin one in the camera after the mod, it's just the stock ones block out more spectrum which isn't good for some hydrogen alpha targets.
    end result if you were to use it as a daily driver you will have to manually process all your images because the internal filter blocks some of the red spectrum which adds to the colour balance,so all your images will turn out red.

    I wouldn't mod a new/nice dslr camera that i would use for a daily driver, void warranty,and a good chance you will damage any ribbon cables in the tight compact camera doing the mod,

    there are plenty of bright targets to image with a stock dslr, i think you would be happy with a newer sensitivity dslr for awhile until you are ready to mod or even buy a dedicated astro camera even possibly a cooled one if you further into the hobby.
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